Mish Talk
mishtalk.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2016
Mike "Mish" Shedlock writes on macroeconomics, the Fed, jobs data, inflation and politics from a contrarian viewpoint.
What HN saysHN commenters cite it on jobs revisions and GDP comparisons, and one defends the author as a macro writer with a track record against Nate Silver.
40HN people shared it
13linked it in comments
32stories submitted
322story points
3 months agolast shared
2016people per year2026
Most-shared posts
- 1Binance's Alleged Crypto Audit Failed, Not Even Its Auditor Would Vouch for It2 people · 1 points · first shared 2022 · discussion on HN
- 2Was the Real Jobs Revision Negative 818,000 or Negative 915,000?1 people · 53 points · first shared 2024 · 37 comments on HN
- 3The Fed's Big Problem, There Are Two Economies but Only One Interest Rate1 people · 52 points · first shared 2024 · 105 comments on HN
- 4Wisconsin Judge Rules 7 Health Care Workers Cannot Switch Jobs1 people · 37 points · first shared 2022 · 63 comments on HN
- 5McKinsey Study Shows 81% of US Worse Off Than in 2005, France 63%, Italy 97%1 people · 33 points · first shared 2016 · 17 comments on HN
- 6Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”1 people · 24 points · first shared 2022 · 10 comments on HN
- 7California Bans Calculus from High School Because of Racism1 people · 24 points · first shared 2021 · 17 comments on HN
- 8Wendy’s to Employ Self-Service Kiosks at 6,000 Locations1 people · 14 points · first shared 2016 · 9 comments on HN
- 925% of College Degrees Have a Negative Return on Investment1 people · 11 points · first shared 2021 · 3 comments on HN
- 10When Does US Federal Debt Reach an Unsustainable Level?1 people · 8 points · first shared 2023 · 2 comments on HN
- 11The Depopulation Bomb, Two Economists Make the Case for Humans1 people · 8 points · first shared 2025 · 1 comments on HN
- 12Waymo Picked Up 4M Rides in 2024, Tesla Had Zero1 people · 8 points · first shared 2025 · discussion on HN
- 13Carvana is worth more than Ford1 people · 7 points · first shared 2022 · discussion on HN
- 14How Many More Ridiculous Green Energy Projects Will Fail?1 people · 5 points · first shared 2025 · 3 comments on HN
- 15Check out the new US passport1 people · 4 points · first shared 2026 · 1 comments on HN
What HN people wrote when they linked it
tiatia · 2016-10-13
Nate Silver has been criticized a lot by Mish (http://mishtalk.com/) and Mish was more often correct with his predictions than Nate. (What was Nate's prediction of Trump becoming the candidate? "Trump's chance of becoming the GOP nominee at 2 percent.")
Nate is strongly biased in favor of Hillary. That is fine but that is not scientific. Nassim Taleb said about Nate:
"55% "probability" for Trump then 20% 10 d later, not realizing their "probability" is too stochastic to be probability."
and
"So @FiveThirtyEight is showing us a textbook case on how to be totally clueless about probability yet make a business in it."
Proceed with caution.
mtmail · 2026-06-27
The author is a macro economy writer with a 10 years old Twitter account. Most of the article is a quote, then his personal opinion. https://mishtalk.com/about/ I'm all for calling out automated content written by AI/LLM but this one doesn't seem to be.
roenxi · 2025-08-02
The US BLS does seem to have a bit of a history [0] with their job reporting though. The process they've been using appears biased to over report initially and then get revised down over time. I'm sure there are a lot of political considerations, but from a raw statistical perspective there is a pretty easy path to getting better results. They could eliminate the optimistic bias and aim for accuracy.
If it were me I'd be sacking people until they started getting a mean adjustment somewhere around 0. I doubt that is what Trump is doing, but the managers left themselves vulnerable to technical criticism.
[0] https://mishtalk.com/economics/in-honor-of-labor-day-lets-review-bls-j…
cscurmudgeon · 2024-12-05
https://mishtalk.com/economics/purchasing-power-parity-silliness-and-t…
GDP PPP is meaningless for both geopolitical power and what it means for the average citizen.
The average citizen in EU is much better than the one in China/India despite what the PPP numbers suggest as GDP per captaincy matters more.
China and Russia resort to bartering due to US sanctions because GDP matters, and not GDP PPP [1].
PPP should be used to compare only similar countries like USA/Canada/UK or those in EU. Or countries in SEA.
[1] https://www.intellinews.com/china-russia-to-reintroduce-barter-trade-f…
kolanos · 2023-04-23
Fannie Mae's matrix is (IMO) intentionally misleading to hide the disproportionate rate increases. Here is a normalized chart showing the rate increases [0].
[0]: https://mishtalk.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1024/M…
alxmng · 2023-03-24
https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-fed-now-owns-nearly-one-third-of-al…
… and ~25% of the Feds entire balance sheet is mortgage securities.
klyrs · 2022-12-13
They haven't been caught red-handed, but their reserve claims are highly suspect[1]. Predictions that Binance is next are pretty credible in my mind, and the DOJ is already looking[2] in that direction.
[1] https://mishtalk.com/economics/binances-alleged-crypto-audit-failed-no…
[2] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/12/doj-divided-over-charging-…
ldkfj · 2021-06-20
Reminder that the bottom 50% own 1% of the wealth.
https://mishtalk.com/economics/net-wealth-distribution-the-bottom-50-h…
551199 · 2016-11-10
How about one that isn't used only to influence voters?
Read Talebs tweets:
https://mishtalk.com/2016/08/07/nassim-telab-blasts-nate-silver-about-…
https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/794608806072352769
hcknwscommenter · 2025-08-02
The source you cite is written by a man with literally zero training in economics or econometrics. He lost his job in 911 and started a blog in the GFC that gained an audience (https://mishtalk.com/economics/uk-high-school-student-asks-mish-about-… Good for him. You assert with absolutely no basis in fact or any supporting citation that "there is a pretty easy path to getting better results." The BLS is run by the world's experts in how to measure what they are measuring. The private payroll company ADP reports their own numbers and has never demonstrated better accuracy despite the huge profit motive they have there. If it's so easy, then why don't you just write out a detailed explanation of how this supposed bias happens and how to fix it. You can't because it's not true that there is this sort of bias or that there is an easy fix (revisions are sometimes up and sometimes down, early data is not as reliable as later data). The BLS is constantly at work developing and testing new ways of doing their job better faster and cheaper. It's a difficult job done by thoughtful people. Bloomberg had a very contentious interview today with Peter Navarro and basically called him and Trump a liar over this made up allegation of political bias and/or incompetence at the BLS ("we just don't have evidence to support those instances here at Bloomberg"). This was the biggest miss in 50 years, yes. However, that's ignoring the fact that the economy is…
kkfx · 2022-04-23
My suggestion is reading one/some Antony Sutton books, simply to visualize a bit the fact that money is not anymore and since decades and decades a shared unit of measure of nearly anything being instead a virtual substrate of nearly anything under private control. With that in mind you can metabolize the fact that the actual dollar hegemony is at the end because it's tangible value is less and less accepted.
Russia, and perhaps even more China, simply have done without saying a new Bretton Wood where instead of electing a currency the one for anything, a currency based on thin air, handled by a private cleptocratic company remaining in power thanks to propaganda and the army power, they propose one based on something tangible like natural resources and industrial power. Other countries have started to join (like Saudi Arabia, Israel and partially EU so far, the first two accepting renmimbi for oilm tge last for accepting paying Russian gas in rubles) and others "ante litteram" have already tested that and was crushed (like Saddam's Iraq with oil in euros vs dollar, just before Iraqi invasion by the USA or Qaddafi's Libya against the Paris controlled CFA designing a new local pan-African currency).
In the past the west have had the biggest world power in tech, industry, military, science etc than all those start to wane crushed by an economically-driven society. EU lost its place from WWI, USA gain back than and thanks to WWII establish a global power but now…
neuroelectron · 2025-05-10
This article first published 2 days ago. Here's one from April 30: https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/rumors-claim-seattle-ports-dead April 29: https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/what-we-can-verify-about-por… April 28: https://seemorerocks.substack.com/p/port-of-seattle-empty-zero-inbound April 27: https://mishtalk.com/economics/shipping-collapse-port-workers-and-truc… April 25: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/tariff-tit-for-tat-has-seattle-w…
Seattle/Tacoma Seaport schedule: https://www.nwseaportalliance.com/cargo-operations/vessel-schedules-an…
This article from Dec, '24 says port volume is expected to be lower than pandemic levels until 2029. A lot of chatter around the issue centers on local politics and leaders: https://www.postalley.org/2024/12/26/seattles-port-faces-a-cargo-slump…