Jonathan Turley

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Jonathan Turley, a law professor, writes on law, free speech, government surveillance, and current legal and political news.

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ta988 · 2026-01-26
What is the reason for that? Claude answers by the way. edit: looks like maybe a followup of https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-own-bizarr…
hammyhavoc · 2023-05-16
clankyclanker · 2022-08-05
It does happen sometimes. My personal favorite example is this guy. I recommend search terms like "james clapper perjury congress". If this fish never got fried in the biggest pan of all, what chance do these little chefs have? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper See: https://jonathanturley.org/2013/07/03/perjury-by-permission-clapper-ap… https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/19/james-clappers-perju… https://apnews.com/article/business-33a88feb083ea35515de3c73e3d854ad
freedude · 2022-06-28
One single site will always have the echo chamber problem. In order to better understand the complex issues facing our country I have attempted to find alternative viewpoints. The key to obtaining value from any reporting organization is realizing there are many viewpoints and the one from which I see the world is incomplete at best. Thus why I am looking at the news and avoid echo chambers. Some worth checking... https://summit.news/ https://www.zerohedge.com/ https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/ https://themostimportantnews.com/ https://jonathanturley.org/ https://brownstone.org/ https://winepressnews.com/what-is-the-winepress/
bwh2 · 2010-02-01
I thought Jonathan Turley had a very insightful post on the topic: http://jonathanturley.org/2010/01/21/supreme-court-rules-5-4-against-c… tl;dr: "In the end, I have to favor more speech than less in such conflicts. While I would have written a concurrence and have difficulty with aspects of the majority opinion, I probably would have voted to support the majority in the result in this case. However, I do consider this to be one of the most difficult free speech cases to hit the court in decades."
Natsu · 2023-05-13
So, to start with, I absolutely agree that the news can distort out notions of what is representative or not and it's something I've done my best to notice and account for by looking at broader statistics and trends in the data. In this case, though, it's part of a new phenomenon and there's no lack of examples. Here's Alvin Bragg, talking about no longer charging certain crimes at all: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/us/alvin-bragg-manhattan-district-attor… Here's George Gascon doing the same in LA: https://abc7.com/george-gascon-los-angeles-district-attorney-lada-misd… If you prefer specific cases, here are some lawyers who were facing domestic terrorism charges for firebombing a police car. They had already plead guilty. They were given a new, lesser plea deal: https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/05/new-york-attorneys-accused-of-fi… I can find a lot more individual cases. For example, the Zimminskis who may only have been prosecuted because Binger was called to account for that during trial. They managed to get arrested for multiple other crimes, including a kidnapping, while on bail.
cobraetor · 2021-02-19
These are great questions, and here's my attempt at answering or elaborating on them. > how do you define hate speech Ira Glasser explains it precisely: "When people say they want to ban hate speech, what they mean is they want to ban speech that they hate ... But if you allowed something called ‘hate speech’ to be banned, then the only important question would be ‘who decides? ... If the government is going to be the one to decide what hate speech to ban, it’s not going to be the same speech as the speech you hate, it’s going to be the speech they hate, ... It all ends up coming down to who decides and most often, it ain’t you' https://reclaimthenet.org/former-aclu-head-ira-glasser-explains-why-yo… > and what counts as inciting violence? This is better explained by the legal scholar Jonathan Turley, "The reason is that while the crime is not clear, the case law is. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that even calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” Trump never called for violence and instead told his followers to go to the Capitol peacefully to “cheer” on those challenging the electoral votes. Such protests at capitals are common and, while reckless, Trump’s speech could as easily be interpreted as a call for protest rather than…
kart23 · 2019-08-21
It is a slam dunk case. If you read all the articles for the wealth tax, they argue it isn't a direct tax simply because nobody knows what a direct tax is. Or that the tax actually taxes income. Both of those are wrong. Wealth tax is a direct tax, since it is paid by an individual on their possessions, rather than any transaction. The constitution only allows a direct tax on INCOME, not possessions. If I have 100 million dollars in cash, do not make any money, I would still owe 1 million dollars under the wealth tax. Is that an income tax? No. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxvi https://jonathanturley.org/2019/02/20/reductio-ad-absurdum-a-response-… https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/elizabeth-warren-2020-weal… This article, for the wealth tax, basically makes the argument that the justices should stay true to their 'originalist' principles and uphold it, rather than actually examining the law. I think this is the best precedent for something like this: When the court ruled that a federal tax on property was unconstitutional, which is similar to what Warren is trying to do. The court has ruled on this in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States… > ...Congress cannot impose a duty or tax upon personal property...
tstrimple · 2026-01-27
Sounds like ChatGPT was making up stories about him being a sexual predator. https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-own-bizarr…
phyalow · 2026-01-03
As Jonathan Turley reports https://jonathanturley.org/2026/01/03/the-united-states-captures-nicol… this operation will be justified as executing the criminal warrant (issued by the Biden DOJ and outstanding since 2029) and responding to an international drug cartel, a very similar legal framework to the one used against Noriega in 1989 - which was tested in multiple US courts. So like it or not there is longstanding court affirmed precedent supporting that earlier operation, which will now be used to defend the actions in Venezuela.
anonymousiam · 2026-01-03
jevoten · 2024-01-09
> asking accused parties for comment, asking adjacent experts for comment Don't forget the most important part of all: omitting details and testimony for the public good: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/12/04/the-responsibility-to-not-report…
pseudo0 · 2023-08-29
There was some good reporting on this issue in the Twitter Files. For example, Jim Baker, the general counsel at Twitter, used to work for the FBI. Musk fired Baker for his role in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story. https://jonathanturley.org/2022/12/04/six-degrees-from-james-baker-a-f…
__derek__ · 2023-04-20
Interesting. It seems like this sort of precedent could make ChatGPT's defamation habit[1] expensive for OpenAI. [1]: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-own-bizarr…
smitty1e · 2023-04-07
Turley is instructive about the dangers of libelous output => https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-own-bizarr…
mcguire · 2023-04-06
"Then recently I learned that ChatGPT falsely reported on a claim of sexual harassment that was never made against me on a trip that never occurred while I was on a faculty where I never taught. ChapGPT relied on a cited Post article that was never written and quotes a statement that was never made by the newspaper. When the Washington Post investigated the false story, it learned that another AI program “Microsoft’s Bing, which is powered by GPT-4, repeated the false claim about Turley.” It appears that I have now been adjudicated by an AI jury on something that never occurred." https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/06/defamed-by-chatgpt-my-own-bizarr…
lockhouse · 2023-02-17
Meanwhile 23 Baltimore, Maryland schools had ZERO students that were proficient in math. I guess it’s easier to achieve equity by making everyone worse than making everyone better. https://jonathanturley.org/2023/02/11/report-23-baltimore-schools-had-…
native_samples · 2022-04-27
Most people don't care about anti-white racism so much that they'd stop watching a TV they liked because of the choices of actors. That isn't evidence that it's not actually racism, the definition doesn't depend on viewer counts. Is there someone that has said this before? Oh boy, yes. Just search for 'racist maths' to find endless discussion of it. For instance here's Ontario editing maths textbooks to put woke nonsense at the start: https://www.tvo.org/article/what-does-an-anti-racist-math-class-look-l… And California: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/focusing-on-the-correct-answer-in-m… Here's a British university jumping on the bandwagon: https://jonathanturley.org/2022/04/11/decolonising-math-durham-univers… These are just random examples. There are many more.
hyperman1 · 2021-10-08
France started heavily taxing some rich people, and some of them like Gerard Depardieu promptly 'immigrated' to Belgium (A whole km outside France in his case). As far as I know, France did not suffer too much from this. https://jonathanturley.org/2012/12/12/french-government-denounces-weal…
chuckee · 2021-10-05
Which personal information did it have, specifically? Twitter has a history of defining PII very broadly when it suits them: https://jonathanturley.org/2021/04/11/twitter-censors-criticism-of-blm…
devwastaken · 2021-08-05
Reminder that even accusations of abuse imagery will get you in cuffs and your children taken away (see article at the end) Linux truly is the last bastion of sanity. I am so glad that linux desktops took off and work as well as they do. Last thing I should be worrying about is if an employee at Microsoft or Apple decides their "automated system with no errors" decides that a hash collision or a picture of a baby is close enough to actual abuse imagery. There are plenty of people that believe even a picture of a naked baby in a bathtub is abuse imagery. Anyone remember the case of Walmart? They took their kids away "pending investigation". https://jonathanturley.org/2009/09/18/arizona-couple-sues-wal-mart-aft…
WarOnPrivacy · 2021-05-31
A couple of stories about one notorious Florida HOA Man jailed over brown sod: https://jonathanturley.org/2008/10/12/putting-the-prude-back-into-prud… EMTs finish heart attack victim's sod job so he'll go to the ER: http://www.ccfj.net/HOAFLFirefFinLawnw.html
ttt0 · 2021-01-12
Right, largely peaceful. https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-Headline-Fie… I happen to be of controversial opinion that the lives of normal people are more important than those of lying politicians, who provoke the violence among the former for their own political gains and profit.
enoch_r · 2020-07-24
I'll add Colin Kaepernick to the list for next time! I should also include things like the woman who lots her internship after she made a bad pro-BLM analogy: https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/03/ima-stab-you-connecticut-woman-f… In my mind, "cancel culture" refers to the phenomenon where an outraged group (usually on social media) seeks to retaliate against someone over a (possibly inferred) political opinion. Firing union organizers or harassing whistleblowers is bad, but doesn't fit into my mental model of cancel culture.
prepend · 2019-09-11
I don’t think that’s correct. As long as you didn’t collude in the illegal act, it’s legal in the entire US. Not sure about other countries. This came up most recently in the Manning/ Snowden leaks as while the leaks were illegal, using the info is not illegal. There was a lot of press and here’s a decent post by a law professor explaining legality, https://jonathanturley.org/2016/10/17/cnn-it-is-illegal-for-voters-to-… Data is different from stolen property in that it isn’t property. Once data is made public it is no longer proprietary so it can be used legally even if it was originally obtained illegally. This is different if you were paying for non-public stolen data, but no one here is talking about that.
Nomentatus · 2017-10-16
For those who say we shouldn't pay too much attention to urban legends about neural network failures, here's a real-life example of neural networks translating "inorganic cat litter" as "in organic cat litter" and thereby creating a real-life half-billion-dollar dirty bomb that genuinely exploded. https://jonathanturley.org/2014/11/21/kitty-litter-dirty-bomb-new-mexi… This is a hasty link, IIRC the error happened when someone read out instructions aloud to someone else took who was taking notes. Yes, that badly behaving neural network(s) was human, and therefore far more sophisticated than any we can build yet. Which makes the problem worse and more real, not better or less real.
vixen99 · 2016-04-15
I suppose you might be saying that, as a matter of fact, (it happens that) their needs are not met by modern society. Or are you saying it's all our fault as usual? I'm probably missing something but how has the West worked hard to make Muslims feel impotent? Totally agree with your final point. There's not much sign if any that a re-framing of Islam is going to take place. Ever tried asking a Muslim if there is any bit of the Koran that should be ignored or altered? "Pew Poll Finds Overwhelming Support For Executing People For Apostasy In Afghanistan and Other Muslim Nations" https://jonathanturley.org/2013/05/03/pew-poll-finds-overwhelming-supp…
rrggrr · 2015-10-23
If your blood isn't already boiling here are other examples: http://jonathanturley.org/2013/04/07/the-rise-of-debtors-prisons-in-th…
WDCDev · 2015-09-04
I REALLY want to explain this away as the complaining from some grumpy park rangers. Then you have these stories and you begin to wonder if there is something generational going on. Prom Date spray painted on Black Rocks -http://jonathanturley.org/2015/05/08/destinys-child-police-search-for-… Casey Nocket - http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/11/08/ams-woman-paints-f…
lbaskin · 2015-08-12
At the very least, Title 18, Section 1924 of the U.S. Code: "Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material" https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924 http://jonathanturley.org/2015/07/24/state-department-and-intelligence… Other possible violations here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/16/hilary-clinton-emails…

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