Jeffrey Zeldman
zeldman.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2007
Jeffrey Zeldman, a web design pioneer, writes about web standards, browser diversity, HTML5 and the state of web design.
What HN saysCommenters point to it as a classic site worth reading and as a well-designed, readable one, though one notes its page weight exceeds 1 MB.
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Most-shared posts
- 1A Modest Proposal10 people · 23 points · first shared 2008 · 43 comments on HN
- 2Browser diversity starts with us4 people · 178 points · first shared 2018 · 91 comments on HN
- 3Replacing the -9999px hack (new image replacement)4 people · 10 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 4Off My Lawn4 people · 7 points · first shared 2011 · 1 comments on HN
- 5HTML5 Super Friends' Guide4 people · 5 points · first shared 2009 · discussion on HN
- 6Receipts: A brief list of prominent articles proclaiming the death of the web3 people · 11 points · first shared 2025 · discussion on HN
- 7The Next Generation of Web Layouts3 people · 9 points · first shared 2023 · discussion on HN
- 8It’s 2014. Is Web Design Dead?3 people · 4 points · first shared 2014 · discussion on HN
- 9Dwws3 people · first shared 2007
- 1041 shades of blue3 people · first shared 2011
- 11Dirty Little Secret of Success2 people · 154 points · first shared 2009 · 69 comments on HN
- 12Shorten this2 people · 26 points · first shared 2009 · 12 comments on HN
- 13IPad as the new Flash2 people · 23 points · first shared 2010 · 1 comments on HN
- 14Why I am letting my Google IO invitation expire2 people · 22 points · first shared 2012 · 1 comments on HN
- 15Google to customer: Go fuck yourself. In the cloud.2 people · 11 points · first shared 2013 · 2 comments on HN
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adregan · 2025-05-29
Zeldman is dead?! Did it happen in the last 24hrs? He posted on his site yesterday
https://zeldman.com/
Torwald · 2021-05-27
I still read some of the classics (surprised nobody mentioned them so far) and also a few newer ones:
https://kottke.org/
https://daringfireball.net
https://seths.blog
https://www.freedomain.com/blog/
https://www.cringely.com
https://www.zeldman.com
https://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com
http://quirksmode.org/blog/
http://hypercritical.co
justkez · 2017-05-31
I lost countless hours trying to replicate the DHTML effects from ziggen.com (Sigurd Mannsaker) - that site repeatedly demonstrated an utter mastery of Dynamic HTML (without making your mouse cursor have a trail...)
Some similar era sites that evoke memories...
* k10k.net (http://www.cubancouncil.com/work/project/kaliber-10000)
* http://www.chapter3.net/imperium/
* http://www.zeldman.com
* Joshua Davis' Dreamless.org and Praystation
trumbitta2 · 2017-04-12
It's all smiles and sunshine, until you choose 13px as the font-size for this post.
It's right then, that it happens. You made a good point about lightweight, text-driven web, but didn't care to use a saner 16px for the font-size.
And so you instantly become a stereotype in my eyes. The old guy shaking his fists at modern hipster web.
See this for an example of a lightweight site with a good design and readability: http://www.zeldman.com/
dom0 · 2017-04-12
> lightweight site with a good design and readability: http://www.zeldman.com/
>1 MB is not "lightweight".
mxuribe · 2017-01-30
Some of my favorites...
* Tantek Çelik -> http://tantek.com and https://indieweb.org
* Aaron Parecki -> https://aaronparecki.com and https://indieweb.org
* Patrick (patio11) McKenzie -> http://www.kalzumeus.com
* Moxie Marlinspike -> https://moxie.org
* Scott Hanselman -> http://www.hanselman.com
* Joel Spolsky -> https://www.joelonsoftware.com
* Jeff Atwood -> https://blog.codinghorror.com
* Gina Trapani -> http://ginatrapani.org
* Matthew Hodgson -> http://matrix.org and https://riot.im
* Armin Ronacher -> http://lucumr.pocoo.org
* Jeffrey Zeldman -> http://www.zeldman.com
* Eric Meyer -> http://meyerweb.com
tannerc · 2014-01-16
The concern of what advancements in technology mean for web workers has recently blossomed in main circles.
Jeff Croft wrote that being a web designer isn't enough to sustain a career.[1] Jeffrey Zeldman countered that argument with the notion that being an expert in the field is enough to sustain oneself, but only if you can expand on your knowledge with other skills.[2] Andrew Clarke then followed-up on both of those pieces.[3]
It's an interesting time to be involved in tech, especially on the web. What comes next is simply more adaptation, what other choice to we (as workers) have?
1. http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2014/jan/03/web-standards-killed-the-html-st…
2. http://www.zeldman.com/2014/01/06/its-2014-is-web-design-dead/
3. http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/blog/about/its-2014.-web-design-isnt-dea…
armandososa · 2011-08-18
I recommend reading this post by Zeldman from last year: http://www.zeldman.com/2010/07/05/an-indesign-for-html-and-css/
Says Nack:
As I noted the other day, “Almost no one would look
inside, say, an EPS file and harrumph, ‘Well, that’s not
how I’d write PostScript’–but they absolutely do that
with HTML.”
rexf · 2011-03-21
I'm using Sublime Text as well. I figure it has a lot of tools built in that I'm not taking advantage of since I don't know about them.
Something like this for Sublime Text would be great:
http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/13/how-to-use-textmate/
masklinn · 2010-08-08
This discussion was, in fact, making the rounds of the standardistas a week or two ago (following the release of html5test). Not only did everybody agree with your assessment, but most of them thought it was good (only a few people such as Tantek are trying to make HTML5 refer only to the W3C HTML5 spec... they'll fail).
As Chris Wilson insightfully put it:
> HTML5 is now a brand, more than it is a specification. There are a variety of reasons for that, and a variety of persons “responsible” for that confusion, but the ship has sailed.
See also:
http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/01/html5-test/
http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/aug/02/term-html5/
http://blog.codinginparadise.org/2010/06/why-im-going-to-keep-calling-…
http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/03/html5-fuzzies/
ilovecomputers · 2009-12-22
After learning HTML and CSS, a good followup book to recommend is Designing with Web Standards by J. Zeldman (http://www.zeldman.com/dwws/). Even though it's written for individuals who are designers or are serious about web design, it has many helpful tips and information such as the box model that the OP discussed.
jerf · 2009-08-10
I don't use Twitter. Would it automatically shorten http://zeldman.com/?p=2233 ? Does it just shorten all links, or just ones that need to be shortened?
I'm assuming all, since non-shortened links can't be "monetized". (Feh.)
ewiethoff · 2009-02-05
Remember CSS Zen Garden (http://www.csszengarden.com/) and The Zen of CSS Design book? And Zeldman (http://www.zeldman.com/)? Way cool when cutting edge designers were figuring out what CSS 2.1 is capable of. But such low contrast! And lots of tan. Then the candy-colors-on-white "Web 2.0" look hit... Another year, another DTD.
csnover · 2022-03-31
No, I haven’t, thanks for mentioning it. Would Goodhart’s Law actually apply here though, since right now the data (as far as I can tell) isn’t being measured at all?
To your counter-example, maybe the metrics I described aren’t good enough and should integrate some disease severity criteria or site-weighting or comorbidity score (although as one continues to subdivide the population this way eventually you end up with n=1 and the results are useless again) but like, surely we should be trying to measure something other than the good feels and word-of-mouth of people who have to work with each other?
It physically hurts my brain when I think about how we measure the dumbest shit in software engineering, like which shade of blue to use to improve clickthroughs[0], but when it comes to even attempting quantification of activities which are literally life or death, sorry, too hard, can’t do it. Surgeons will refuse to do hard procedures, insurers will destroy careers, EMRs are full of bad data (so what is the point of the bloody records if they have become that useless‽), surveying patients would cost too much…
I will ultimately defer to the experience of people in the field—I am not a physician or statistician—but sometimes I feel like I’m just being fed arguments repurposed from the bad cops playbook. Oh, we can’t ever possibly start quantifying individual officers’ use of force, because some parts of the city have more crime, and if we do that then those officers will…
qgin · 2025-05-29
My late 90s web designing life was based entirely around Zeldman's "Pardon My Icons" collection: https://zeldman.com/icon1.html
marc_io · 2019-12-12
This idea is also closely related to Jen Simmons's “Intrinsic Web Design” concept. There is already some automation that can be done on web layouts at the moment.
More about it: http://www.zeldman.com/2018/05/02/transcript-intrinsic-web-design-with…
ssn · 2019-12-06
Contributing the diversity of the web is an important action that all of us should be committed to.
Read Zeldman's "Browser diversity starts with us." http://www.zeldman.com/2018/12/07/browser-diversity-starts-with-us/
perilunar · 2019-03-23
When I learnt front-end dev there were no seniors to learn from — I was part of the first generation, and we pretty much just made it up as we went. We learnt by trial and error, and by looking at each others source code.
And blogs. Read web dev blogs. Much more up to date than books, and you get to see the latest ideas and take part in discussions of evolving standards. My favs: A List Apart, Adactio, Smashing Magazine, CSS-Tricks, Zeldman, Stuff & Nonsense, The Web Ahead, Mozilla Hacks, Coding Horror.
https://alistapart.com
https://adactio.com
https://www.smashingmagazine.com
https://css-tricks.com
http://www.zeldman.com
https://stuffandnonsense.co.uk
http://5by5.tv/webahead
https://hacks.mozilla.org
https://blog.codinghorror.com
brianpan · 2017-10-08
Sure you can use ML and test subjects to maximize readability, but that's only one part of typography. Akin to Google beta testing shades of blue. http://www.zeldman.com/2009/03/20/41-shades-of-blue/
Anthony-G · 2015-06-04
Thankfully, I didn't have that issue. I use the NoScript Firefox extension mainly because I have an ancient computer and not downloading and running JavaScript provides a huge gain in conserving resources. I thought it might lead to a less pleasant web experience but so for it hasn't and it saves me from annoyances such as pop-ups and interstitials.
Back on topic, I used to be really bad for running late. Most of the time people are too polite and let it go but as I grew older and became more self aware, I came to realise that it is rude and disrespectful - even though you don't intend it to be. A while back, I read Jeffrey Zeldman's Free Advice: Show up early [1] and it really struck a chord.
[1] http://www.zeldman.com/2010/02/05/free-advice-show-up-early/
Svip · 2012-12-17
You don't have to hide the checkbox like that; display: none; is fine. Also looks better code-wise.
And apparently performance wise: http://www.zeldman.com/2012/03/01/replacing-the-9999px-hack-new-image-…
LocalPCGuy · 2012-05-09
I like this rather new solution, which actually works in older browsers including IE7 if you happen to need to support that. Still uses text-indent, but pushes it right instead of left and sets overflow hidden to hide it.
http://www.zeldman.com/2012/03/01/replacing-the-9999px-hack-new-image-…
schpet · 2012-02-01
> With Bootstrap 2, we've gone fully responsive.
This would imply a fluid grid, which it lacks.
http://www.zeldman.com/2011/07/06/responsive-design-i-dont-think-that-…
RyanMcGreal · 2011-11-29
It's not ironic:
http://www.zeldman.com/2011/11/18/it-is-not-ironic/
tbassetto · 2011-11-24
It is not ironic, it's humanity: http://www.zeldman.com/2011/11/18/it-is-not-ironic/
yicai · 2011-06-29
Testing won't give you any help if you started with the wrong direction.
The parent of my comment might be making some joke about the 41 shades of blue that Zeldman said.
And quote from him, "There are more exciting design problems in this world to tackle."
http://www.zeldman.com/2009/03/20/41-shades-of-blue/
JoelSutherland · 2010-11-04
To counter his disclaimer, Japanese and American web sites are very different:
http://www.zeldman.com/2010/07/25/the-puzzle-of-japanese-web-design/
This doesn't address his core point. I've always believed that users will tolerate a surprising amount of crap to get what they want. Godaddy isn't exactly suffering.
rimantas · 2010-08-06
Jeff Croft:
But I think there’s actually a very good reason
why we should, in fact, embrace the term “HTML5”
as an overarching buzzword for this latest round
of web standards and specifications. Our industry
has proven on several occasions that we don’t get
excited about new, interesting, and useful technologies
and concepts until such a buzzword is in place.
Source: http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/aug/02/term-html5/ via
http://www.zeldman.com/2010/08/03/html5-fuzzies/ (there is a term HART proposed in comments, I quite like that one).
petercooper · 2010-05-12
He's moved on from 2009's year of negativity when the divorce seemed anything but a beautiful dance of protons:
http://twitter.com/zeldman/status/1558664990 & http://twitter.com/zeldman/status/12644932699
And it was only six months ago when he said it's necessary to have been abandoned, betrayed and ridiculed and to have a "restless, broken heart" in order to succeed: http://www.zeldman.com/2009/10/22/dirty-little-secret-of-success/
Just his own output seems to demonstrate that maybe it does take some pain to feel truly grateful for what you do have, but, sadly, I doubt most people will appreciate that until, well, they've been through the mill too.
njn · 2010-04-28
I think it's from 2005. The Gmail logo he uses still says 'beta', and he links to this blog entry from 2005: http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0405d.shtml