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This doesn't really answer your question about why there aren't many options, but: did you find mailpile[1] on your travels? It could be worth considering too. [1] - https://www.mailpile.is/

tptacek is right as usual, but everyone should still check out the excellent mailpile: https://www.mailpile.is/ It integrates GPG really nicely.

> a decent mail app This is probably the most painful thing on desktop at the moment, because no one gives a s* to desktop mail apps these days. I recently switched back to evolution from Thunderbird, but where one if great, the other falls short ( in this case, GPG with Evolution is _painful_ ). Geary is... well, not mature, Claws and Sylpheed are a bit too oldschool and mutt is ... well, mutt. I'd love to see something like Rainloop[1] as a real desktop app. Mailpile[2] is a nice idea, but is nowhere even close to the usability of Rainloop. [1]: http://www.rainloop.net/ [2]: https://www.mailpile.is/

I recommend to try also Mailpile [1], which was built with security in mind. [1] https://www.mailpile.is/

Indeed, it would be great to have a review of several projects in that space. Open source: - Mailpile (https://www.mailpile.is/) - PEPS (https://github.com/MLstate/PEPS) Proprietary: - Protonmail (https://protonmail.ch/)

There have been various efforts to solve this problem for e-mail recently. Mailpile[1] is a great web-based mail client that you can host. It stores mail encrypted and has a very nice interface that makes handling mail encryption easier for users. Protonmail[2] is both a mail service and a nice front-end for handling encrypted e-mail. When a user sends encrypted mail through the ProtonMail interface, the e-mail is sent with a link pointing to a webpage that asks for a certain shared password. They have raised more than half million in their crowdfunding campaign. Both are very user friendly, very promising, and still in early BETA. 1: https://www.mailpile.is/ 2: https://protonmail.ch/

I didn't look into this in detail, but I think the best system is on its way independently via https://www.mailpile.is/

Agreed. Its simply not easy enough to use so I could recommend it to my friends with lesser it knowledge. However I have hopes for projects like MailPile (https://www.mailpile.is/)

I have two alternate recommendations: Mailpile. Despite what anyone tells you, end to end encrypted email is not possible in webmail a world [sic]. The first precondition for developing a usable and forward secure email protocol is a usable mail client, and I currently believe that Mailpile is our best shot at that. From [0]: mailpile A modern, fast web-mail client I am honestly confused. It sounds like Moxie is saying a webmail client is not the answer, but then he recommends a webmail client? I'm not trying to be snarky; I'm genuinely curious. 0: http://www.mailpile.is/

If you like Proton features and want to move away from Gmail, consider Mailpile[1]. It's almost ready, there's a release candidate and packages for Debian/Ubuntu; it offers to protect your data with a master password like Proton; it supports GPG which with all its problems is still the way to encrypt your emails; and you can run it on your own server. Best of all it's open source and written in Python. You can know exactly what it does with your messages. Mailpile is an email client (MUA) so you will need a server (MTA). At first you can try it out with your regular ISP, even Gmail. Later you can set up your own server. Setup is a little involved but much less than people tell you and, if you choose a competently run distro, requires very little ongoing maintenance. With your own server, you can have it working exactly as you like. Export feature? No problem, you have direct access to the maildir, mailbox or the database. Want a catch-all? One switch in the config. You will have little trouble finding a provider who accepts your preferred method of payment, too. [1] https://www.mailpile.is/

> We want to be able to add new features that would exceed the scope of IMAP. Further, the current mail stack was just not built for a good mobile experience, and it's complexity provides a considerable barrier for emerging mobile clients. We want to cut off the legacy baggage and keep the entry barrier for users and developers as low as possible. What new features? Current email infrastructure already implements everything mentioned on this page. There's mention of the "limitations" of IMAP and SMTP but it seems specious. Reading email is a pretty well solved problem now, and I think every popular language has libraries for IMAP and SMTP. On the topic of IMAP's performance on mobile: there is an installed base of millions who use IMAP for their mail on their phones. There are many, many good email clients for Android (I recommend K-9 Mail, which is FOSS) and they work great. Presumably it is the same for iOS. If they write a nice HTTP API for reading mail inboxes, that will probably be a nice option for people who for some reason can't or don't want to use IMAP, but there really is nothing here to move mail forward. Mailpile is a lot more interesting (webmail and privacy features): https://www.mailpile.is/

Another option is to get a personal domain where the dedicated email provider can support. If you own the domain to your email, you can switch providers more seamlessly, of course you gotta back up your emails through a third party client. Maybe a third party web client you can host yourself that stores your emails. Maybe something like Mailpile: https://www.mailpile.is/

Huh, I was going to post this story, but I thought it was not allowed because it's a job posting and I had to wait until the Who is Hiring thread. So, if posting jobs for working on free applications is ok outside of Who Is Hiring, let me try to advertise this job for another free email client, Mailpile, which got killed when I tried to post it earlier: https://www.mailpile.is/jobs/ I currently use Evolution for email, which is ok and I've gotten used to its limitations, but I would love a more modern client! Edit: I guess it's not ok. I'm confused.

You're probably mistaking Mailspring for Mailpile (https://www.mailpile.is/)

...Or you could just use https://www.mailpile.is/, which is a genuinely less painful way to do encrypted email.

Off the top of my head, that sounds just like Mailpile[0]. There's obviously many other less recognizable solutions. https://github.com/tonioo/modoboa sounds pretty similar. Lots of players in the modular Linux "apps" and server space. For developers, there are Docker images, OVF virtual appliances, things of that sort. From more of a user perspective, there's sandstorm.io. I believe Mailpile was even on the Sandstorm app list at some point, not sure if it still is. [0]: https://www.mailpile.is/

Funny I should see this today, I spent yesterday afternoon reading articles about Thunderbird and other mail clients and ended up migrating from Thunderbird to mu4e [0] (purely for reasons of usability). If this is true (and there is some reason to doubt it, as this isn't the first time Thunderbird has been declared "dead"), and considering that Geary is no longer in active development either (maybe the Elementary OS guys picked it up?), Mailpile [1] might have a chance to fill that gap. Other than that, there's always Claws Mail [2]. [0] http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html [1] https://www.mailpile.is/ [2] http://www.claws-mail.org/

Have you looked at Mailpile[1]? I haven't used it, but their idea was basically "self-hosted Gmail". https://www.mailpile.is

There's also Mailpile, which looks and feels a lot more modern: https://www.mailpile.is/ - unfortunately, the demo seems to be broken at the moment.

Thunderbird user here. Email clients are really useful when you have more than one email account. Everything is in one place and you don't have to keep signing into multiple accounts all the time. I've been using Thunderbird because I simply cannot find an email client that provide that much functionally, respects your privacy and doesn't randomly break. But there is email client that I am looking forward to called [0]mailpile, that I will probably switch to once its reached v1.0 (early October) [0] https://www.mailpile.is/

Has anyone tried this? How does it compare to https://www.mailpile.is/?

Mailpile (https://www.mailpile.is/). It's pretty bare-bones as far as a mail client goes, but it gets the job done.

Some people are mentiong services like Fastmail here. To me this sounds like replacing one "evil" with another. Can somebody please prove me wrong! Right now, I'm walking the Postfix+Dovecot+Roundcube path. Other options I'm looking into right now are: https://www.mailpile.is/ - which look very promising https://whiteout.io/ - also interesting

> I'd still want a webmail interface though A few ones to check: * http://roundcube.net/ * http://rainloop.net * https://www.mailpile.is/

Noone here backed Mailpile on kickstarter then? https://www.mailpile.is/

I'm waiting for Mailpile[1] too. [1] https://www.mailpile.is/

...how is your [insert tech startup here] going to maintain a decent level of QoS if you cannot maintain it for a trio of IRCds and a trio node instances? You could even get away with DNS-only HA since it is purely internal so if A is down, everyone knows to connect to B or C. The only reason I don't host my own e-mail is I haven't found an open source project that can truly compete with gmail's functionality and the fact I don't really care if Google reads my e-mail since none of it is sensitive. I have high hopes for https://www.mailpile.is/ since if my Desktop is down, I'm screwed /anyway/. Just my two cents.

I'm guessing you mean Mailpile[0], but those guys are only providing an email client (which you can run both from a thumb drive or on a server). [0]: https://mailpile.is/

I'm surprised that Mailpile[0] wasn't mentioned at all. It's something that I'm watching very closely. [0] https://www.mailpile.is/

An exciting email client project is in development at http://mailpile.is/ - a self hosted open-source gmail work-alike. (live demo on the site)