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graymirror.substack.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2020
Curtis Yarvin, formerly Mencius Moldbug, writes political essays on governance, tech regulation, and a critique of modern American institutions.
What HN saysHN commenters link it to explain neo-reactionary thinking and its influence on tech and political figures, with mixed views on his provocative style.
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- 4Tech solutions to the tech problem2 people · first shared 2021
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- 102020, the Year of Everything Fake1 people · 27 points · first shared 2020 · 24 comments on HN
- 11Open Letter to Paul Graham1 people · 25 points · first shared 2020 · 11 comments on HN
- 12Curtis Yarvin on Techno-Optimism1 people · 5 points · first shared 2023 · discussion on HN
- 13“Circling” and Nerd Society1 people · 4 points · first shared 2021 · discussion on HN
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googthrowaway42 · 2020-10-11
Absolutely, this is basically neo-reactionary kind of stuff but from a deep metaphysical perspective. Another author worth checking out is Curtis Yarvin who is much more focused on material/realpolitik concerns.
This is a good one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQO3VbJsMw
He also has a substack but the focus is much more narrow than what you get in these interviews. It's intended to be a modern version of The Prince: https://graymirror.substack.com/
hnhg · 2025-08-04
You can also sign up to Curtis Yarvin's Substack and read the kind of thinking that Thiel likes to surround himself with: https://graymirror.substack.com/
sstanie · 2025-02-05
So it looks like someone next to Trump is actually taking foreign policy plans from Curtis Yarvin's essays: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/gaza-and-the-laws-of-war
> Here is what the Israelis would do: cut off food, power and water to Gaza, do their best to give everyone a safe way to walk out unarmed, house them in spartan but livable conditions, and send the Gazans to another country—preferably one in which they speak the language.
> ... And the site will be ready for development. Did I hear someone say “beachfront?”
> .. [Israel] could collectively grant them a slice of equity in the new Gaza. The new Gaza—developed, of course, by Jared Kushner—is the LA of the Mediterranean, an entirely new charter city on humanity’s oldest ocean, sublime real estate with an absolutely perfect, Apple-quality government
gradschoolfail · 2024-08-15
The writing has gotten less focussed since he returned from Urbit, but … he’s been consistently denying the Reds.
https://graymirror.substack.com/
His line.. wants to be remembered as Machiavelli/Mencius by the Dems, for the Dems
Not sure about the OP grumbling, seems resigned to not getting into the IP.
1MachineElf · 2023-06-16
Curtis Yarvin / Mencius Moldbug: https://graymirror.substack.com/
Not because I agree with or idolize the guy, but simply because what he says tends to veer on the provocative side. Provocative, by definition, is interesting.
Inu · 2022-04-19
I'd say one example would be Curtis Yarvin:
https://graymirror.substack.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin
Also Nick Land:
https://zerophilosophy.substack.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land
mistermann · 2021-06-19
A few others here and there, like Curtis Yarvin:
https://graymirror.substack.com/
noofen · 2021-05-27
I recommend reading Curtis Yarvin's recent writing on this exact topic [1].
[1]: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/there-is-no-ai-risk
MrBuddyCasino · 2021-03-30
And the WHO just doubled down on the zoogenesis hypothesis of covid. Yarvin put it best: Covid is science's Chernobyl
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/covid-is-sciences-chernobyl
erichocean · 2021-02-15
Curtis Yarvin has new, much-more-concise explanation of the "cathedral" and domininant power ideas up on his Substack that's worth a quick read:
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the-cathedral (An oligarchy inherently converges on ideas that justify the use of power.)
I think it's as good of an explanation as any for why old-academy classical liberalism is losing (and will continue to lose): truth is not dominant, and least on the timescales the game is played.
100% agreed that post-modernists are still worth reading, and that many of the critiques are relevant. Disagree that doing so will change anything—because truth isn't dominant in the short-term.
Ambolia · 2021-01-28
This is a related article:
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/tech-solutions-to-the-tech-problem
The first part is about politics, if you only care about the tech part, you can jump to the following headlines:
- Encrypted clients
- Protocol extraction and unauthorized clients
- The secure personal server
- Technology is hard, actually
Consultant32452 · 2021-01-12
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-great-coup-of-2021
>Once power loses its mask, once censoring dissent because it makes a mockery of the government is not just what power is doing, but actually what power says it’s doing, we enter a new stage of history—because serving this power is openly humiliating to the servant. Or at least, to any servant of intelligence, wisdom, conscience and character.
>At this stage, therefore, power is actively recruiting its own counter-elite. There is only one way to produce a regime change that sticks: a circulation of the elites. Therefore, we have taken a genuine step toward history. The gigantic gear has moved one click.
greyswan · 2020-12-02
https://graymirror.substack.com/
His new writing is interesting.
itsarnavb · 2022-04-15
I like this description of the problem and the suggestion:
> Today on Twitter, as on most social media, justice works in a roughly Stalinist style. The normal penalty is permanent execution. There is no transparent explanation for why an account is executed, before or after the execution. It has simply “violated the Twitter rules.” The public rules are extremely abstract and could theoretically justify almost any execution. The private rulebook by which the secret police, or “Ministry of Trust and Safety,” operates, is of course as secret as everything about the secret police.
> Of course, it is easy to observe that a two-day-old spam account does not deserve a six-month trial, with lawyers, before getting the bullet it needs in the back of the neck. Due process in this context must not be a clone of the IRL judicial system, which is more broken than anyone can possibly imagine.
> And there is a simple solution to the problem of scaling due process: *scale the level of due process to the size of the account*. An account with a million (real) followers might well deserve a six-week public trial, perhaps even with some kind of counsel. The spammer with 20 followers? Any cop can shoot him, as at present, and leave the body by the side of the road as a warning to others.
> There is a use for online Stalinist justice—it is only an injustice when it is disproportional to the user’s investment in the service. When Twitter is your career and any cop can just shoot you, an eerie…
adnzzzzZ · 2021-03-04
>though I don't know how you want to argue that the world isn't mostly run by capitalist forces. Again, if this is something you want to question I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere.
I believe that the world is primarily run by academia and journalists, and this is best described as a clerical oligarchy. In 1890 the US was definitely a capitalist/commercial oligarchy, in 2020 the US is definitely not one and is instead a clerical oligarchy where institutions with most power are intellectual ones rather than commercial ones. There are reasonable and well thought out arguments for this being the case https://graymirror.substack.com/p/3-descriptive-constitution-of-the.
>The factoid in the piece is that a lot of mobile games are built with the intent of being addictive and getting people to spend a bunch of money on micro transactions. Is this another thing that doesn't fit in your view of reality?
I don't believe mobile games are any worse than other types of games when it comes to addiction. Just because mobile game addiction focuses on certain traits, games that are addictive but focus on other traits are not any better. To assign a negative moral character to mobile games alone is a mistake that people currently make that I disagree with.
>Most importantly though, if they added your joke instead I still wouldn't rally to have them take it down. I'd just think it's awkward and embarrasing.
Yes, that's exactly what I think of the original joke.
TaurenHunter · 2025-04-04
Thank you for that! I didn't know about Yarvin nor List. I will try to find out more.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/implementing-market-balanced-trade
janice1999 · 2025-02-20
Read the Bufferfly Revolution by Curtis Yarvin (April, 2022)
> We’ve got to risk a full power start—a full reboot of the USG. We can only do this by giving absolute sovereignty to a single organization—with roughly the powers that the Allied occupation authorities held in Japan and Germany in the fall of 1945.
> Trump himself will not be the brain of this butterfly. He will not be the CEO. He will be the chairman of the board—he will select the CEO (an experienced executive). This process, which obviously has to be televised, will be complete by his inauguration—at which the transition to the next regime will start immediately.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-butterfly-revolution
cheaprentalyeti · 2024-09-18
[0]: "Trust me, guys: once I’m _actually_ the sinister Svengali behind one of these people, y’all will _know_."
[0]: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/le-epic-biodiesel-poasting
kingstoned · 2023-04-14
I just read: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/gpt-4-invalidates-the-turing-test. It makes the point that LLMs are not AIs, so we will need a different approach if we want a true AGI, not just incrementaly improving on the current LLM approach.
paulpauper · 2023-03-22
wow this guy called it
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/bitvana-or-the-bitcaust
wrote this yesterday
What happens if Coinbase is cut off from banking? FTX was a total scam; Coinbase is a completely legitimate company—the only really, deeply, compliant exchange. Once CB cannot bank, the precedent is set—no one in crypto can touch the banking system. Forever. And as we’ll see, it doesn’t even need to be forever.
he's good
discreteevent · 2022-04-22
He has a substack now: "Give Russia a free hand on the continent"
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-new-foreign-policy-for-europe?s=r
kingsuper20 · 2021-05-05
Huh. I didn't even know that Trump was on Facebook, I should get out more.
Looking at this, I don't know what the justification for banning is but like most political decisions I guess you don't want to watch the sausage getting made.
https://m.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav…
Future historians will look back at the brilliance of building near-monopoly platforms by inviting one and all for free, ignoring copyright, doing a build-out at a loss, selling personal information, winner-take-all network effects, and then applying a POV to the whole works. Personally, I'm attracted to this view of the Facebooks of the world:
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/big-tech-has-no-power-at-all
chordalkeyboard · 2021-03-10
Other people are thinking along the same lines:
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/tech-solutions-to-the-tech-problem
52-6F-62 · 2025-02-10
I totally understand.
And so many tech bros misunderstand. Its not a problem with the tools and its not the money. Artists have extensive experience going hungry. So have I. I doubt many tech bros and technocrats know what starving feels like. Real hunger. But I digress.
Its how the tech is being wielded. Its not just: can the robot imitate a nice picture. Its: artists are deprecated.
And it mistakes artifice and artifact for art as a practice, and so conveniently cannot process any information about the subject beyond that final conclusion.
None of this is hidden or arcane stuff, but effort has to be made to learn new perspectives… kind of like how the world has readily adopted new technology.
What should be a reciprocal exchange is rapidly turning one sided and tyrannical.
Woe be the future where any such single-minded ignorance takes absolute control (as is the current missive emerging out of SV at present)
See Yarvin’s missive as adopted by so many VC’s in the current political plays. The way the tech is being wielded is all about power. Forced power over others. https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-butterfly-revolution
greenie_beans · 2025-02-07
read curtis yarvin, find the weaknesses in his arguments, and use those weaknesses against their ideology.
for start, he thinks FDR was a dictator but the only reason FDR had such power was because the support of labor and some parts of capital. he would know that if he was a historian instead of LARPing as one.
so organizing and supporting the labor movement would be a good place to start, since a organized labor could become a powerful poltical force. otherwise everybody is fragmented on both sides which further enables their ideology.
a recent blog of his gave me this idea: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-pleasure-of-error
he legit thinks trump is about to be FDR 2.0 but his mistake is ignorance about how the power worked during that time. you can even use his "differential" idea in that essay against him. the differential now is labor against wealth. always has been, especially when FDR wielded all the power yarvin thinks was a dictatorship since a lot of that power was given to him by the support of the massive labor movement at the time.
more practically, this blog has some good insight into the "what do i dooooo?????" question https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/
jesushax · 2022-11-25
You are completely correct, I didn't mean to argue against the Dems, just noting that I hear this critique raised against them a lot.
>Arguably by the same reasoning, republicans benefit from legal abortion and their finally getting Roe v Wade reversed was terrible for their electoral performance.
Indeed, the far-right has raised exactly this criticism of overturning Roe v Wade:
>If you have limited energy and a limited number of possible wins, it is important to focus your limited energy on one kind of win: wins that make future wins easier. By definition, these are the kinds of wins that augment your power. These are real wins.
>
>There is another kind of “win,” wins which expend your power in order to achieve some result you want. These are sometimes called “Pyrrhic victories.” Pyrrhus took the battlefield, but after the battle his chances of winning were reduced. His tactical “victory” was a strategic defeat.
Source: You can only lose the culture war (https://graymirror.substack.com/p/you-can-only-lose-the-culture-war)
This kind of thinking isn't partisan, I think it describes the a problem that occurs with institutions in any society. I'm not sure what the solution is, other than to be collectively vigilant against institutions succumbing to these tendencies. Which seems woefully inadequate.
thoms_a · 2022-06-26
More precisely, we have an aspirational world government led by the American Empire which is run by a few extremely wealthy and powerful elite families, including the ones you've alluded to. Of course, these powerful families own all the media companies and thus control how they are covered in the mainstream media, which explains their absence and subsequent emphasis on politically inconsequential billionaires like Musk.
The American Empire is run via these families through a distributed influence network of private companies, NGOs, think tanks and PACs [1]. Although made up of many entities, they are funded by the same few individuals. Thus, this is a very difficult system to reform without immense capital expenditure.
The countries which do not submit to this order are the designated public enemies (we have always been at war with Eastasia). Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea being the most prominent of these.
Disclaimer: I am a deeply committed conspiracy theorist who also believes in the Earth being flat, so please take everything I say as the ramblings of a kook (especially any hardworking federal employees perusing HN)!
1. https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the-cathedral
olah_1 · 2020-12-13
> the idea is deeply terrible, and implements a sort of feudal network with kings, lords and peasants (galaxies, stars, planets)
That’s what we have today, except it’s profoundly more disturbing.
Urbit would be like if you were under the care of Facebook, but you genuinely owned your data. Facebook just routed connections for you if you weren’t already connected to someone. And you retain the ability to move from Facebook to twitter for that service if you choose.
Meanwhile today you live on facebook’s land (you don’t own any of your data or identity), and you can’t leave unless you blow everything up.
> who believes life was better when we had monarchies in charge of everything.
Yarvin actually does not believe that. His whole project is more about not resisting the inevitable, which is that humans will organize in hierarchies no matter what. So it’s better to not pretend otherwise and just be honest.
Again, this is better than what we have today. Do you even know who your “lord” is today? Vaguely Zuckerberg. Who is under him? Do we know who to be upset with if a decision is made that we don’t like? No this is all a mystery because it’s anti-hierarchy theater. It’s there but they tell us it’s not.
Here is an article where Yarvin basically endorses Urbit without mentioning it by name: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/how-to-regulate-the-tech-platforms