Future of Coding

Check out https://futureofcoding.org if you haven't. When I watched Liber Indigo, my first thought was that it would be a great intro to the type of problems that community is messing with*. * future of computing, esoteric/future interfaces etc...

I don't know anything about it, but being just one island over I've heard of the Pacific Science Institute, which may be something like you are trying to do ( https://www.pacificscienceinstitute.org/) There's also some great online research communities, like the https://futureofcoding.org/ slack.

looks cool guys! I'm working on something similar (won't be so vulgar as to self-promote on your post though) - it's exciting to see more people exploring this space. I think there's a lot of potential in visual programming going forwards; I know it's been explored before but it feels like smart phones pre-iPhone: lots of entries but no-one has captured the essence of it into a compelling product yet (outside of specialist but great tools like Houdini and UE Blueprints). Have you shared this with the Future of Coding community (https://futureofcoding.org/)? They're very excited by these kinds of tools.

For folks interested in future programming tools — be it languages, editors, IDEs, visual programming, new abstractions, what have you — I recommend looking at the https://futureofcoding.org community. The podcast has a number of great interviews with people exploring all corners of this problem space, and the Slack group is full of people actively working on these hypothetical-future tools and sharing their findings.

/r/programminglanguages (17.5k subscribers) is a good start. They recently launched a directory of projects (50+) the group is working on: https://www.proglangdesign.net which also links to their IRC and discord servers. Also there's https://futureofcoding.org which has a growing community of language and tool designers focused on live-coding languages. There's a good number of projects being developed by members there.

Was about to mention I heard about this in the future of coding podcast[0] last week, then realised this was posted by Steve (who runs the podcast). [0] : https://futureofcoding.org Strongly recommend anyone interested in such topics (programming languages, rapid prototyping, HCI, low code platforms, etc) to check out his work. Steve is doing some really great work as a individual researcher!

Hi Chris, great project! If you're generally interested in all sorts of ideas on how to make programming better, I can recommend to check out https://futureofcoding.org/ and the slack group that's linked on the website. There are a lot of people thinking about, sharing and discussing great ideas in the slack, and your project perfectly fits into the "future of programming" category.

A few months ago, I watched some videos by Brett Victor and decided I wanted to develop a visual programming language. That led me to https://futureofcoding.org/ and its slack channel. There was some cool stuff happening on the server, and the admin was doing his best to elevate things, but that slack channel was also the last stop for some people before they descended into templeOS levels of madness. Right around the time I was joining, the admin posted in the meta channel that, with a heavy heart, he had finally banned [the developer of beads, I feel weird calling him out by name]. Apparently he had been too argumentative and stubborn for the server to further tolerate. It left a weird taste in my mouth about the future of coding slack channel. On one hand, you don't want toxic people in your community. On the other hand, the server was clearly a channel of last resort for a lot of people with a lot of crazy ideas. Kicking out one if its more prominent members to toil in solitude felt kind of gross. Its interesting to see that, a few months after being banned, the beads project seems to be materializing.

I got to play with Dynamicland for a couple of hours last week, thanks to a meetup organised by Steve Krouse and Omar Rizwan. Steve runs the Future Of Coding podcast ( https://futureofcoding.org/ ) and Slack community, and Omar is a researcher at Dynamicland. Last year Omar posted an excellent, detailed breakdown of GeoKit, a map toolkit he created at Dynamicland; it includes much of the technical detail and videos you probably want if you've read this far: https://rsnous.com/posts/notes-from-dynamicland-geokit/ My own feelings about Dynamicland, after a couple of hours there, are mixed but mostly positive: * Like many who experience it, I don't have a handle on DL's most valuable differentiators as a platform. But that's OK, because it feels like they're not trying to achieve that yet; it's more about just experimenting. We're so unused to computing with this UX model that it's going to take a while to find its best uses. * Plus, DL is chasing an idea for which the hardware barely exists yet. Ideally, it would be cheaply sensing full 3D in the environment, and projecting higher contrast visuals at all angles. * Even so, there are some easy, playful ideas they've done that are wonderful. For example, an animator script which lays out three paper-sized outlines to the right of wherever you place the script, and then rapidly cycles the images it captures from those outlines. So, if you want to teach animation, you just draw a cycle across three pieces of paper, put them in…

There is an excellent Future of Coding episode where they cover No Silver Bullet. https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/062.html

You remind me of this interview with Alan Kay: https://futureofcoding.org/notes/alan-kay-lunch.html In the piece the notion that what we need to solve our problems is more people like Joy, Torvalds and de Raadt and less people like Zuckerberg, Gates, and Bezos is gently alluded to, and I think it's a powerful point. I'd nearly go on and suggest things like Tools for Conviviality, or some Cory Doctorow stuff. But in any case it's a lovely interview, maybe it's a good enough start.

I think this is most interestingly framed as an extension of/successor to/alternative for Literate Programming, or at least that's the mental cubbyhole it best fits in for me. Another recent screed on programming in this vein is John Ousterhout's: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39996759-a-philosophy-of-software-… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31248641 which similarly, walks up to, but doesn't quite come out in favour of Literate Programming. EDIT: That said, it is framed as LP in at least one description: https://futureofcoding.org/catalog/smalltalk.html

I love when this paper pops up, because now I get to recommend a relevant episode of a really great, really nerdy podcast: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/061.html

Marek gave some helpful background for this project during a recent Future of Coding meetup (first demo in the stream). [0] https://mrogalski.eu [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7z77QGARLE [2] https://futureofcoding.org

The Future of Coding (https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/) It's become far too long and not focused enough for me to enjoy lately, but it's a nice change of pace to hear about new or lost ideas, rather than hearing about mundane tech I see and hear about every day anyway. Less Rust, Javascript and k8s, and more revisiting papers and moonshot ideas from the 80s for me, please! A great introduction to this podcast is the Devine Lu Linvega (of 100 Rabbits fame) double episode about writing his own tools, and orca, his music live coding platform. https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/044 https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/045

Yeah, totally. If it's private then it's up to whoever owns it. I think my experience is colored by using Slack for a group that's very much intended to be a public record: https://futureofcoding.org/community Perhaps a better way to state my position is: I think publishing should be a ratchet. Everyone can choose what they want to make public. But once it's public that's it, there's no undo and no do-over. This isn't ideal in some situations, but on balance seems like the greater good. Stuff gets added to the commons of human knowledge, and we do our darnedest not to let stuff get removed once it's been added.

Great podcast episode on the paper https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/060.html

The Future of Coding podcast reviews and discusses papers of past and present that imagine how computing could change. If you find the Mother of all Demos inspiring, you may find the podcast interesting, too. At the very least, the reading list is a great resource. https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/

https://github.com/blob42/awesome-explorables https://futureofcoding.org/ --> https://futureofcoding.org/catalog/

This blog does pretty good job summarizing Naur's points. (My only quibble is equating mental models with theory in Naur's sense, but its an okay approximation). I definitely recommend people read the original paper. It's a flawed but beautiful paper. Shameless self plug: We just did an episode on Naur's Programming as Theory Building in the most recent episode of the Future of Coding Podcast. https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/061

Yes that’s the one! It was Chris Granger’s project that Jamie worked on for a while (along with Josh Rob and Eric and myself). Eve came around at a time when Bret Victor’s videos were very popular and a lot of people were unhappy with the state of the web and programming in general. Since then there’s been a pretty relentless if niche community growing around the idea. Eve is gone but the idea lives on in many different communities, and I think it’s clear the same spirit that spawned Eve motivates Jamie’s conference. The primary venue for this kind of work has been the Live! workshop at SplashCon. https://liveprog.org/ There’s also a community of people working on projects of this sort: https://futureofcoding.org/ I think Jamie’s conference would be a good addition to this community, especially being in the spring, since Live is in the fall.

Orca is amazing, and it's creator Devine Lu Linvega is inspiring too. Listen to this future of coding podcast where he is interviewed about Orca: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/045 and about making your own tools: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/044 The Future of Coding podcast is a treasure. Edit: excerpt from the Devine Lu Linvega's intro: ----- Devine Lu Linvega and his partner Rekka live on a sailboat. He makes art, music, software, and other cultural artifacts. When Photoshop’s DRM required that he maintain a connection to the internet, he wrote his own creative suite. When his MacBook died in the middle of the ocean, he switched to Linux with hardware he could service. His electricity comes from solar panels, and every joule counts — so that’s out with Chrome and Electron and in with Scheme, C, assembly, and maybe someday Forth. -----

Hi all! Developer here before first coffee I'm actively working on natto.dev and it really is in "preview". I'm excited about the future of programming and having a canvas to explore it on. still looking for "crazier" ideas - my favorite current one is dragging a column out of a table. https://twitter.com/_paulshen/status/1366801887341649924 The more I work on it, the more confident I am that there's something there. If you try it, I'd love to hear your feedback! natto takes inspiration from a whole lot of work. non-exhaustive list: Yahoo Pipes, Excel, design tools (Figma), Observable, darklang, GToolkit, SmallTalk (repl-driven), http://joshuahhh.com/projects/pane/, http://www.lamdu.org/, https://futureofcoding.org/catalog/ As much as I love natto (the food), I'll likely rename it at some point. Pronunciation hit rate has been 0%

This is really great,loving the whole code catalog and podcast. Codeflow looks interesting, but is mislisted as open source in the catalog[1] although private on github, and there’s a new sign up for beta option on their page - I believe it’s no longer open source [1] https://futureofcoding.org/catalog/codeflow.html [2] https://github.com/codeflowlang

Another great pair of interviews with one of the creators of ORCA (goes into a lot more detail): https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/044 https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/045.html

Found this blog via the wonderful futureofcoding podcasts, episode Building for Developers: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/021 What should be noted is that the author already did the low-code/no-code thing as a startup that is still active and thriving: https://www.dropsource.com So what he's doing and describing now is informed by that experience, which he talks about at length in the podcast episode. I find it much more insightful and less superficial than a lot of the writing on the topic.

I'd say Rebol and Forth are less known exotic ideas for programming languages. I'd also look at Unison, for a more recent exotic programming language concept. And what GraalVM is doing with the polyglot layer is quite interesting. Finally my recent favourite is PPL, probabilistic programming languages. And for more I'd recommend this podcast https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/

That's awesome! I remember that project, yes :) BTW, there is a community for people exploring new ways of coding - https://futureofcoding.org. You might want to join it, if not yet.

Interested in and working on future of computation - new environments, platforms, languages, approaches. A nice starting point is https://futureofcoding.org/

There's a Future of Coding podcast episode where Katherine Ye (one of Penrose's authors) is interviewed. https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/034 Worth a listen to!