Zoe Keating
zoekeating.tumblr.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2012
Zoe Keating, a cellist and composer, writes about music streaming revenue, royalties, YouTube contract terms and her own earnings data.
What HN saysHN commenters call her always worth reading on streaming economics and praise her openness about where royalties come from; they cite her YouTube post often.
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Most-shared posts
- 1What should I do about YouTube?5 people · 1.4K points · first shared 2015 · 290 comments on HN
- 2Analytics as part of Internet Radio Royalties3 people · 8 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 3Clarity2 people · 8 points · first shared 2015 · discussion on HN
- 4Blog about an email about a blog about a news article about streaming2 people · 3 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 5My Streaming Data1 people · 14 points · first shared 2013 · 5 comments on HN
- 6Cellist Zoe Keating 2018 streaming revenue1 people · 10 points · first shared 2019 · 2 comments on HN
- 7Zoe Keating tells what it takes to actually obtain health care1 people · 9 points · first shared 2014 · discussion on HN
- 8Zoë Keating – I want to hear your opinions about copyright1 people · 7 points · first shared 2015 · discussion on HN
- 9Songwriters, You Have a Choice1 people · 3 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 10More about Data versus Royalties on Internet Radio1 people · 2 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 11Crowdfunding a Concert - Zoë Keating1 people · 2 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 12Towards a manifesto | Zoë Keating1 people · 1 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 13Where does the filthy lucre come from1 people · first shared 2013
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mark_h · 2013-04-28
Zoe Keating is always worth-while reading about this, including being open about where her royalties come from. For eg (this was the post that got represented as "pay me in data"):
http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/35737991443/what-i-want-from-interne…
(there's a spreadsheet with the breakdown in there)
That one got featured in the NYT, prompting a couple of follow-ups:
http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/41955905309/a-blog-about-an-email-ab…
http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/42057406771/where-does-the-filthy-lu…
(I loved the internet-expertise implied by Several people advised me to consider touring as a revenue stream since “that is where artists make most of their money”.!) More pertinently though: "Live performance is usually my revenue stream with the highest expense ratio: flights, hotel rooms, commissions, crew, advertising, etc…"
scintill76 · 2015-10-22
Zoe's seemed to be more about music specifically. As far as ads, she was going to be forced to have ads, not forced to remove them. http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/108898194009/what-should-i-do-about-… Maybe this isn't the only thing she's written about YouTube though.
Aoyagi · 2015-04-09
Isn't that a similar issue [1] to what Zoe Keating went though not long ago?
[1] - http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/108898194009/what-should-i-do-about-…
k-mcgrady · 2015-01-29
Here's a link to the transcript that's referenced in this article [0]
[0] http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/109312851929/clarity
onli · 2015-01-29
Basically, yes. She points it out pretty clearly in http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/108898194009/what-should-i-do-about-…
There are some additions:
2a) … The release on Youtube must happen at the same time and in a specified quality.
2b) … Everything that has been uploaded by her before will be deleted.
The obligation to release on Youtube is of course completely unacceptable. I like to think it would be quite illegal in many countries outside the US as well.
jamesbritt · 2013-10-12
Some additional data:
"Streaming music payments: how much do artists really receive?" http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/19/zoe-keating-spotify-…
"My $treaming Data" (from Zoe Keating)
http://zoekeating.tumblr.com/post/16086277627/my-treaming-data
Total streams for 1 month: 6926
Total amount earned: $32.07
Average price paid per stream after CDBaby’s 9% cut:
Spotify $0.003339
Rhapsody $0.0091
Napster $0.015224
Rhapsody has a fixed stream rate. I don’t know the respective formulas for Spotify or Napster, but price-per-stream varies:
Napster: $0.01658813 to $0.01721973
Spotify: $0.00102187 to $0.01158124
Some prior discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4330920
tessierashpool · 2015-03-18
The caveat with disruption: Sometimes an industry which is very tightly regulated, or which has a lot of middlemen, has these obstructions for a reason.
A taxi service holds enormous opportunities for kidnappers or rapists. I'm a man, which basically disappears the rape risk, but there are many Central and South American countries where getting in a taxi could be quite risky for me, and could involve me disappearing. even some parts of Mexico.
Recent related stories make Uber look really bad:
http://boingboing.net/2014/11/19/uber-can-track-your-one-night.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/uber-executive-suggests-digging-up-di…
http://www.buzzfeed.com/anitabadejo/uber-but-for-real-estate-disputes#…
Also, just to state the obvious, both Uber drivers and regular taxi drivers have logical incentives for driving unsafely.
In this context, I have no problem with governments wanting to regulate Uber literally to death, at least outside of California. I understand cabs are completely unacceptable garbage in California, and the HN audience definitely skews Californian, but cabs are gold in Chicago, London, and New York, and probably quite a few other places too. Maybe Germany is one of those places.
Also, although I'm sympathetic to libertarians, disruption doesn't always fix things. The Internet crippled the music industry, but introduced stacks of new middlemen in the process. Ask Zoe Keating how that "democratization" turned…