Vividness
vividness.live · Personal blog · on HN since 2016
David Chapman's site on meaning, Buddhism and ethics, covering Buddhist modernism and developing ethical, social and cognitive competence.
What HN saysHN commenters say they like his writing and point to it for his extensive work on Buddhism, alongside his Meaningness site.
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Most-shared posts
- 1Developing ethical, social, and cognitive competence (2015)4 people · 45 points · first shared 2016 · 5 comments on HN
- 2Developing ethical, social, and cognitive competence4 people · 7 points · first shared 2023 · discussion on HN
- 3Homepage3 people · first shared 2016
- 4Zen vs the u s navy2 people · first shared 2025
- 5The making of buddhist modernism2 people · first shared 2022
- 6Zen vs. the U.S. Navy1 people · 2 points · first shared 2020 · discussion on HN
- 7Pure land1 people · first shared 2023
- 8Consensus buddhism1 people · first shared 2021
- 9Protestant buddhism1 people · first shared 2022
- 10Visionary and objective truths1 people · first shared 2024
- 11Buddhist ethics is a fraud1 people · first shared 2018
- 12Ftfy buddhist ethics1 people · first shared 2026
- 13Theravada reinvents meditation1 people · first shared 2022
- 14Traditional buddhism has no ethical system1 people · first shared 2023
- 15Charnel ground1 people · first shared 2021
What HN people wrote when they linked it
jimkleiber · 2022-08-21
I really like what he writes as well, especially: https://vividness.live/
tomComb · 2021-08-20
Yes, his writings are very interesting. I believe his two main sites are
https://vividness.live/
https://meaningness.com/
metaphorm · 2016-12-09
I think you might be very surprised if you read some of the author's other works then. good summary of his work is here:
https://vividness.live/
in particular he has written extensively about Buddhism and speaking personally I think he has a fascinating heterodox perspective on the subject.
UniverseHacker · 2024-12-22
It's no trick, it's a spiritual path that can't be understood without following and practicing it- the path very much leads to something real that cannot be experienced or explained any other way. Everything Christianity teaches is true in the sense that I mean here. You are not understanding what I am saying and I do not personally know how to explain it more clearly[1], which, as I explained above, is why religions pragmatically also offer this view you hold as the official explanation to lay people, despite being obvious nonsense as an objective truth to anyone that thinks very hard about it.
I posit almost all intelligent monastics and religious people are smart enough to tell the difference between objective truth and religious truth- but it is taboo to explain this to lay people as they will be confused and think it means the religion is "fake" or a "trick", however I don't feel the need to respect said taboo. Perhaps I will learn to respect it by trying to explain it to people unsuccessfully.
[1] David Chapman may be able to: https://vividness.live/visionary-and-objective-truths
akprasad · 2022-07-12
You seem to take the author's language here as describing early Buddhism, but I think she is describing the observed history of Asian Buddhism, presumably East and Southeast Asian Buddhism. I think this is a clearer reading given that she starts with "Asian Buddhists," focuses on the Burmese tradition, mentions again "for most of its history in Asia," mentions Jack Kornfield who studied in the Thai tradition, etc.
For the language at the end of your comment, this kind of sola scriptura [1] approach is valuable and worthwhile, and it is part of how lay meditation traditions were revived in Asian Buddhism [2] -- but when you describe Asian Buddhist traditions as "later additions ... never encouraged by the Buddha," isn't this what the author has in mind with her next paragraph? Copied for your convenience:
> I want to clarify, by the way, that I’m not necessarily critical of American Buddhist entrepreneurs. The problem is if you mistake this white American Buddhism for all Buddhism, or claim that this is the “right” or “only” way to practice Buddhism.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura
[2]: https://vividness.live/protestant-buddhism
ordu · 2017-08-23
It seems like a major personality crisis for me. Any crisis makes you feel bad and personality crisis all the more so. But there is a bright side, personality crisis is a chance to grow above your head. I agree with existential psychology on it.
I believe that you can help youself by learning some bits of development and existential psychology. Development psychology describes some common kinds of personality crises, and it helps to understand what going on when dealing with concrete life story. Existential psychology can give advice what to do.
So my advice is don't start making abrupt changes in your life right now. I think that your last failures can make anyone to feel depressed and to lose faith in himself. You can stop trying to find your place in tech, but it not be good to do it just because you feel depressed.
Give youself some time to learn youself, at least half a year. Read some books or talk with psychologist -- some kind of existential psychologist will do, I believe. As for books, I personally greatly like Kegan.[1]
If you see that "kicked in three month" is a pattern, and you don't understand what precisely causes it, I believe that it needs some research. It is hard to do such a research without external help, it can take years of struggling to understand is cause external or internal, if it is some of your psychological traits causes it or something else. You need someone with whom you will be able to discuss this topic honestly. Again psychologist is…
MassPikeMike · 2026-03-29
The article "FTFY Buddhist Ethics" [1] comes to a similar conclusion about the development of West Coast Buddhism but isn't on board with it. IMHO an interesting contrarian take.
[1] https://vividness.live/ftfy-buddhist-ethics
astrange · 2025-08-21
That's not very promising. Most versions of Zen are made-up export products designed to flatter Westerners. Kind of like the samurai movie honor bushido stuff.
https://vividness.live/zen-vs-the-u-s-navy
(Japanese people think Buddhism is a thing you do at funerals. If you get into it more seriously, I vaguely understand it's mostly a religion that tells you not to have sex.)
In this case the more important question is whether it actually works.
PartiallyTyped · 2023-08-20
I take it our definitions of "education" are different. I do not refer to academic education.
Everything you expressed are forms of "education", and the core tenet is putting aside your beliefs and attempting to understand a different point of view.
This, by construction, requires humility because it implies that the person has something to teach you. This identical to pure-land view [1], where every person you meet in one way or the other is a small Buddha[1], enlightened with something you can learn, if you only set aside your existing beliefs and listen.
[1] https://vividness.live/pure-land
schoen · 2021-08-14
> Much of the doctrine is not acceptable to a modern Western worldview, so researchers of meditation have to cherry-pick the parts of Buddhism they like and ignore the rest. For example, they might draw from certain passages of the Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta about developing mindfulness of the breath and body but overlook other passages about meditating over a corpse at a charnel ground. Or they might integrate into their research the Dalai Lama’s teachings on compassion, but they stop listening when he gets to the teachings on rebirth.
David Chapman has a whole (long, elaborate) theory about this:
https://vividness.live/consensus-buddhism
(actually I guess you could spend several days tracking down all of the different pieces of this account that Chapman has written across his several web sites!)
paulbaumgart · 2021-01-24
You may enjoy this. I certainly did when I first came across it: https://vividness.live/charnel-ground
notduncansmith · 2018-09-03
Here are a few related materials on the psychology of moral development:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_mora…
http://cook-greuter.com/9%20levels%20of%20increasing%20embrace%20updat…
https://vividness.live/2015/10/12/developing-ethical-social-and-cognit…
nyolfen · 2018-06-20
the linked essays here changed how i think about (western) buddhism pretty deeply:
https://vividness.live/2015/09/23/buddhist-ethics-is-a-fraud/
especially this one:
https://vividness.live/2015/10/05/buddhist-ethics-is-advertising/
orasis · 2018-01-30
I’m a construct-aware thinker. So it means something different to me now than it would to my previous nihilistic stage.
Here is a nice model of human cognitive development beyond the meaninglessness of nihilism:
http://newpossibilitiesassociates.com/uploads/9_levels_of_increasing_e…
Also see David Chapman’s writings on Robert Keegan’s models - https://vividness.live/2015/10/12/developing-ethical-social-and-cognit…
japano1se · 2017-06-08
Or is it? There's not much evidence that the Vipassanā of modern practice is exactly as Siddhartha Buddha taught it: https://vividness.live/2011/07/07/theravada-reinvents-meditation/
gxonatano · 2025-08-21
> Most versions of Zen are made-up export products designed to flatter Westerners. Kind of like the samurai movie honor bushido stuff.
I don't think so. If you go to a zenkai or a sesshin held by a western zendo, and then go to one at a Japanese temple, you won't notice too many differences, apart from the language. Many American zen teachers trained in Japan at some point, or their teachers did, and they brought these practices back more or less verbatim. In fact, in many American zendos, students chant the same sutras, _in Japanese_, as in Japanese zendos. Plus, there are regulatory bodies, like the Soto Zen school, that certify affiliated western zendos as authoritative. It's not made-up, it's hardly an "export product," and it certainly isn't designed to flatter anyone.
> https://vividness.live/zen-vs-the-u-s-navy
That seems like a rambling, self-published book by a Vajrayana practitioner with an axe to grind against Zen, for some bizarre reason. But there are plenty of real books about the rise of American Zen, or Buddhism in the west, that are well-researched. _Zen in America_ by Helen Tworkov is one.
> Japanese people think Buddhism is a thing you do at funerals.
Not at all. Buddhism, and Zen especially, permeate Japanese culture very deeply. Japanese aesthetics, architecture, landscape design, visual art, calligraphy, the tea ceremony, and the martial arts, have all been strongly influenced by Zen. And it's all over pop culture, too—just think of how pervasive…
fwlr · 2023-02-14
In no particular order of importance, and likely in far too much detail:
You Need More Lumens (https://meaningness.com/sad-light-lumens) prompted me to put lots of really strong LED lights in my living and working spaces. Subjectively this has improved my QoL and productivity by at least as much as taking prescribed amphetamines, a very surprising result.
Nutrition: the Emperor has no Clothes (https://metarationality.com/nutrition) convinced me to disregard essentially everything I’ve read about nutrition and instead to pretty much only trust self-experimentation. This freed me to try objectively insane things like avoiding wheat completely because I read a paper once (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4809873/) or only eating beef for a month because a YouTube personality said it was good, with largely positive impacts on my health and thus QoL and productivity.
Nutrition Offers its Resignation (https://metarationality.com/nutrition-resigns) neatly crystallized the two previous experiences into a gut-level understanding that institutions have completely orthogonal goals to yours, and if it serves their goals to hijack yours by claiming your goals as their own, they will do so without hesitation because that is simply their nature. This dramatically refined my distrust of establishments - I realized that doing the opposite of what they say is no better than doing what they say (“+2 and -2 are equally distant from 2i”, as someone once offered as the most concise…
depr · 2022-07-13
>Did she even study Buddhism at all?
Did you?
https://tricycle.org/trikedaily/biggest-misconception-about-buddhism/
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/ten-misconceptions-about-buddhism-24…
https://vividness.live/the-making-of-buddhist-modernism
The book you are referring to means nothing because it is a recent interpretation exactly as the author of the article is describing. From The Making of Buddhist Modernism:
>1. Rahula selects from the vast corpus of Buddhist literature certain features that can be interpreted in such a way as to resonate with a modern worldview, especially the Enlightenment, Protestantism, Transcendentalism, and science.
>2. This selection excludes or obscures other features of Buddhist literature, for example the many stories of miracles, magical feats, supernatural beings, and literal heavens and hells.
>3. When Rahula does address these, he tends to present them as ethically significant myth, symbol, or allegory.
>4. By focusing on elite literature, Rahula’s presentation occludes many features of the tradition on the ground, such as ritual, devotion, and exorcism, that are actually more central to many Buddhists’ lives than abstract doctrines.
>Many ordinary Buddhists would not recognize much of what Rahula presents as their practices, attitudes, and beliefs. What he suppresses would give a fuller picture of Buddhism in its various historical manifestations. His emphasis on tolerance of other views, for example, is certainly not…