View from the Wing
viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2015
View from the Wing is a travel blog by Gary Leff on airlines, frequent flyer programs, fares, and passenger treatment.
What HN saysHN links it for reporting on airline fees, frequent flyer profits, and the 2017 United incident, including the claim it was about moving crew.
16HN people shared it
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- 1Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Increase Ticket Prices1 people · 181 points · first shared 2017 · 417 comments on HN
- 2United Airlines Threatens to Engage Collections for Passengers Who Skip Segments1 people · 121 points · first shared 2018 · 149 comments on HN
- 3The State of Frequent Flyer Miles1 people · 76 points · first shared 2016 · 15 comments on HN
- 4Is It Bad Business for Airlines to Stick It to Their Customers So Badly?1 people · 7 points · first shared 2016 · 7 comments on HN
- 5SEC Filing Shows American Airlines Profit Comes from Frequent Flyer Miles1 people · 5 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 6Man Forgets to Put Phone in Airplane Mode, Gets $300 Bill1 people · 5 points · first shared 2018 · discussion on HN
- 7Air Berlin’s 60 Person E-Commerce Team Has Set Up a Website Looking for Work1 people · 3 points · first shared 2017 · discussion on HN
- 8Leaked: United Airlines Confidential Corporate Sales Stats1 people · 3 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 9IATA Chief Calls for End to Unacceptable Electronics Ban1 people · 3 points · first shared 2017 · 1 comments on HN
- 10How Boeing Is Fixing the 737 Max MCAS Software1 people · 2 points · first shared 2019 · 1 comments on HN
- 11The 10 Busiest Airline Routes in the World. None Are in the US or Europe1 people · 2 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
- 12Uber Is Losing a Billion Dollars per Quarter1 people · 2 points · first shared 2017 · 1 comments on HN
- 13Tokyo Airport Hotel Offers a ‘Superior Cockpit Room’ with a Boeing 737 Simulator1 people · 1 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 14Your Social Media Hashtags May Make You Legally Liable to Delta1 people · 1 points · first shared 2017 · 1 comments on HN
- 15Many domestic first class seats actually sold versus left upgrades1 people · first shared 2015
What HN people wrote when they linked it
technofiend · 2019-07-14
I don't know if they originated in Las Vegas but Vegas heartily adopted resort fees a decade ago and now the maximums are nearing $40/night. Frommer's travel guide aggregates the information [1] so tourists can make an informed decision about total cost.
Although a clearly critical article [2] suggests the fees are to blame for lower attendance in Vegas, the Review Journal article they cite [3] has a much more balanced view and suggests other contributing factors such as unfavorable exchange rates and twelve states recently legalizing gambling. Regardless, the RJ article still mentions "MGM Resorts CEO Jim Murren told Wall Street analysts during the company’s earnings call on Aug. 2 that his company was forced to cut Las Vegas hotel room prices during the second and third quarters to draw leisure travelers because conventions didn’t fill enough rooms."
I can only speak for myself but I stopped going to Vegas a decade ago as I'm not really the target audience; except for poker I don't gamble. From my perspective you can only see so many Cirque Du Soleil shows and I've done all the touristy stuff around like hiking the canyons, visiting their museums and seeing the Grand Canyon. Vegas has some great food and I wouldn't mind dropping in to Lotus of Siam to see if they're still good or even Baby Stacks for some adobe rice but otherwise I don't miss the place. These days it's cheaper and more convenient to spend a weekend in New Orleans. Those resort fees will easily pay…
cosmie · 2019-05-24
You can add airlines to that list. Here's[1] an article that goes into it a bit. American Airlines actually loses money on their whole "flying people around" business. All of their profit last year was derived via selling points/miles for their frequent flyer program. And it's not limited just to American - I'm not sure about foreign carriers, but it's really common for US legacy carriers to derive substantially all of their profit from marketing revenue related to their loyalty program.
[1] https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2019/01/24/earnings-release-a…
13of40 · 2019-02-24
Noumenon72 · 2018-10-13
It's not entirely a market decision due to earlier government regulation: baggage fees are not subject to excise tax, so if an airline could charge $5 for your ticket and $600 for your bag they would be way ahead, even if you'd rather not have checked it.
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/04/21/the-real-reason-ai…
waqf · 2017-09-07
This was actually not an "overbooking" incident in the usual sense. United wanted the seats to move some of their own crew members (reference: http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2017/04/11/real-reason-man-dra…
mattzito · 2016-02-17
There's a much better analysis, to your point, here:
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2016/02/16/45332/
Apparently gogo has a faster, better offering, so American could also just be suing to get themselves a better position in line to get upgraded, or preferred pricing on the faster service.
Or just to be able to switch, as you point out.
atourgates · 2015-07-16
More complicated because of the way first class travel works. Somewhere between* 10% and 50% of (domestic) first class seats are filled by paying passengers. So the other 90% - 50% are either empty, or filled with elite flyers who paid for an economy ticket and got upgraded.
So in almost every flight, the real cost to AA is the cost of having a golden ticket passenger filling a 1st class seat, vs. having either an empty seat or elite upgrade passenger filling that seat.
In either case, the actual cost to the airline is far far less than the actual cost of a 1st class ticket.
*http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2014/12/12/many-domestic-first…
Laaw · 2016-03-23
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-r…
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/whats-behi…
* http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/abolish_tippin…
* http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/restaurants/a23132/why-tipping-shoul…
* http://www.wagehourlitigation.com/files/2015/10/cornell.pdf
* https://news.ncsu.edu/2012/04/wms-rusche-restaurants/
* http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2016/02/19/45436/
* http://business.time.com/2013/11/18/worst-restaurant-customers-ever-us…
* http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241
* http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/JFSBR_race_revision_article.pdf
This is not (just) my opinion.