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Sarah Allen
ultrasaurus.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2009
Sarah Allen, a software engineer and technical leader, writes about programming, Rust, Go, conference diversity and government tech work.
What HN saysHN commenters engaged with her post on gender at a conference talk, and her blog appears in recommendation lists and links about government work.
20HN people shared it
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Most-shared posts
- 1Gender and sex at gogaruco9 people · first shared 2009
- 2Code != computer science1 people · 198 points · first shared 2013 · 142 comments on HN
- 3Essential Rust Tools1 people · 61 points · first shared 2019 · 5 comments on HN
- 4Who cares if languages become extinct?1 people · 3 points · first shared 2009 · 1 comments on HN
- 5Becoming a technical leader1 people · 3 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
- 6Memory safety: necessary, not sufficient1 people · 3 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 7Why more women conference speakers?1 people · 2 points · first shared 2014 · discussion on HN
- 8Subverting Sauron’s Business Model1 people · 2 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 9False dichotomy of control vs. sharing1 people · 2 points · first shared 2018 · discussion on HN
- 10Diverse genius1 people · 2 points · first shared 2010 · discussion on HN
- 11Communication is a technical skill1 people · 2 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
- 12The five dysfunctions of a team1 people · 2 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
- 13Writing C Library in Rust1 people · 2 points · first shared 2020 · discussion on HN
- 14On choosing RSpec as a test framework1 people · 2 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 15Golang philosophy1 people · 2 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
What HN people wrote when they linked it
aaronblohowiak · 2011-01-07
Thanks for addressing this head-on and in a professional way. Nothing you said was particularly offensive. Sex sells, and that is a part of life.
Do I think that you're a misogynist? No. Nothing you did was even remotely as offensive as the CouchDB talk at GoGaRuCo last year.
As a result of the hoopla around that talk, Martin Fowler wrote a fantastic piece that discusses the interaction of gender, programming, professionalism and humor here: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/SmutOnRails.html I highly recommend you give it a read.
It's one thing to make a comment about sex selling, it is another to make it a theme to talk about how you can see that visitors are spending a lot of time looking at the woman's breasts. Once again, I don't think that your approach was overtly offensive, but there is some great writing that the GoGaRuCo incident inspired. Articulate and measured (as usual,) Sarah Allen's post talks about the difference between a comment and a theme: http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc…
My thoughts about feminism changed in college when I went to gay clubs and was aggressively pursued for the first time. It was weird to think that I had to be on the defense against people's advances and question their reasons for having an interest in me -- that's an experience that many men in our society never have. I can't claim to understand the struggles of feminism, but I do put more thought into how I approach women that I may be…
dgabriel · 2010-04-05
This person meant to insult me. There is really no positive spin you can make on that comment. I didn't bring up feminism, nor did I make anything like a claim that men and women are biologically identical. He made up some things, and then he painted me as a member of some bizarre cult. If he revisits this thread, it will likely be to insult me again. Perhaps he will not. That would be nice.
And you may not have meant your comment here to be dismissive and condescending, but you are basically telling me that this is all in my head, and I should be quiet. I counter that I am far from the only woman with this opinion, and you have not paid close attention (because why would you? you aren't a woman, this doesn't generally affect you).
In any case, this is not the place to debate that topic. I spoke up, and I got insulted for it, but it's all good. If you are truly interested in learning more, please refer to the following links, and feel free to contact me by email if you have questions. Otherwise, enjoy your day.
Recent issue at a Rails conference:
http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc…
A PDF of slides about women in FOSS you may find interesting: http://valerieaurora.org/review/flosspols.pdf
mooreds · 2021-05-27
Checking my rss reader ...
https://feld.com/ (VC, but wide ranging)
https://mapbrief.com/ Snarky GIS content
https://randsinrepose.com/ Management advice for a level I'll never get to :)
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/ Right of center economics
https://ultrasaurus.com/ Tech
https://www.eugenewei.com/ Big pic tech and society
sarahallen · 2013-12-04
Here's my post about the same positions: http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2013/12/work-in-government-save-t…
Zev · 2011-11-17
You can do something similar with iOS development as well, by implementing a -debugDescription method to return a NSString * object that is then printed out when you use print-object (or po) from GDB/LLDB.
If -debugDescription is not implemented, than the debugger will print out whatever -description returns, instead. -description is the same method that is called when an object is printed out with NSLog().
(more info: http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2011/11/debugging-objective-c-in-…
dreyfiz · 2011-04-19
"Lighten up, will ya? Why can’t we all enjoy a little racist caricature?"
Everyone deserves a presumption of respect and dignity. I don’t make bigoted caricatures at the expense of others just to make some point about trust and certificates, and I don’t expect other people to enjoy and defend it when someone is ignorant enough to resort to racist caricature.
It’s the whole Ruby sexism debate all over again, I guess.
link for Ruby sexism debate reference: http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc…
ibsulon · 2009-04-26
Matt Aimonetti apology still has no links. As such, either google has no record or Matt has not apologized. As such, I would consider this willful disregard if he has seen or heard any comments regarding his presentation.
[Edit: There was a non-apology, after all. http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc… -- Really, his wife saw nothing wrong with this?]
earl · 2009-04-26
Wow -- go read the presentation (available http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc… ). The kindest thing that can be said about Matt Aimonetti is he simply has no class. Or, apparently, a grownup relationship with women.
I was going to criticize the blog hugothefrog linked to for indicting the whole Ruby community because of one asshole, but then I thought about it a little more and really? Nobody organizing the conference looked at his title and said hold on a minute? Or asked to vet the slides beforehand? Or in the audience stood up and said, "Matt, you're an asshole."
This might have been funny in 6th grade. Now it's incredibly tasteless and probably actionable.
davidmathers · 2009-04-26
Giles Bowkett wins: http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc…
vilhelm_s · 2017-09-13
The usual story (as told in Nathan Ensmenger's "The Computer Boys Take Over") has the change earlier than that. He says in the late 1940s to early 1950s lots of women were hired for "coding" positions, which at the time was seen as a a fairly unskilled, clerical work. In the 1950s, the division between high-level "programmers" and route "coders" disappeared, leaving just programmer-coders who did both, and as a result there was quite a few female programmers. Then in the 1960s the computer industry grew dramatically, but at the same time the image of what a programmer was, and what kind of characteristics made you a good programmer, also shifted a lot, and by the end of the 1960s it had become a very male field.
The personal computer revolution is usually mentioned in connection with a different trend. Throughout the 70s the proportion of female computer science majors was steadily climbing, then somewhere around 1984 this trend broke [1]. It's often said that this has something to do with video games becoming popular toys.
[1] https://www.ultrasaurus.com/2008/11/declining-number-of-women-studying…
telecaster · 2012-09-07
We don't cause a fuss just when the proportion is not exactly right. We cause a fuss when the proportion is way out of whack and obviously wrong. When like less than 3 percent of Boston Ruby programmers are women, something is blatantly wrong. There are probably more factors at work than mere spontaneous career preference that are causing this seriously skewed distribution.
This is not just an abstract inconvenience either. Whenever you are part of a historically marginalized minority -- whether by color, gender, or nationality -- it will likely be more uncomfortable for you to enter fields where you are the only person from your group. This is particularly true for women.
Not only are sexist comments more likely when there are not a lot of women at events (see http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc… the women will also likely feel more uncomfortable because of the disproportion. Let me quote a posting on our outreach mailing list thread from a woman to elaborate:
"I have definitely never experienced anything threatening or offensive at a Ruby group meeting. But, you show up at an event where there are 50 men or more to 3 women, and you grow to expect some double-takes. Some women, like me, are okay with that. A lot aren't. And it makes it hard to show up alone or when you don't know anyone if you know you're going to stick out like a sore thumb. A man can show up at boston.rb for the first time and not have anyone pay the least…
mechanical_fish · 2009-04-28
All I know about this is what I learned from Giles Bowkett:
http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc…
who sounds dead-on correct to me:
I put huge slides with four-letter words on the screen when I give presentations, but it never makes anybody feel uncomfortable. But that’s because there’s an art to these things, and I know every time I do it that I might go too far and have to eat my pride and apologize. You did it wrong. The fact that anybody blogged about it means you did it wrong. So you have to just accept that and be a man about it instead of arguing with her. If a woman tells you that putting giant sexually suggestive images in front of her made her uncomfortable, you don’t get to bicker about that.
It's not so much that the Rails community has a particularly unusual problem with women. It's that, when one tone-deaf guy lights a match at a Rails conference, apparently nobody knows how to put out the fire before it burns down the community. It's a shame.
mbrubeck · 2009-10-19
In case you haven't noticed, both men and women (including prominent women like Caterina Fake) called out Yahoo on this event. And previous occasions have been no different, with plenty of women raising their voices. For example, after last spring's CouchDB talk we heard from several women:
http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2009/04/25/why-rails-is-still-a-ghetto/
http://www.ultrasaurus.com/sarahblog/2009/04/gender-and-sex-at-gogaruc…
http://dyepot-teapot.com/2009/04/25/dear-fellow-rubyists/
http://www.renaebair.com/2009/04/27/perform-like-a-frag-sta
http://lizkeogh.com/2009/04/29/i-am-not-a-pr0n-star-avoiding-unavoidab…