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The Antiplanner

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Randal O'Toole, a transportation policy critic, writes about transit, rail, highways, and subsidies, usually arguing against rail and urban planning.

What HN saysHN commenters cite it for per-passenger-mile subsidy figures comparing roads, air, Amtrak, and transit, and one calls it a blog that questions whether rail makes sense.
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sien · 2025-09-21
The economic aspect is also worth considering. The subsidy per passenger mile in the US is : 0.019 for road transport, 0.021 for air transport, 0.710 for Amtrak and 2.300 for transit. From : https://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=22592 Just also as a note, you can create suburbs pretty easily where bikes use paths or whatever. I live in a suburb where I can ride 15 kms to work without riding on roads. The subsidy for bikes would actually be really low.
rayiner · 2024-05-09
Amtrak is more subsidized than those other modes: https://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=18116 “Americans spent an average of 25.0 cents per passenger-mile driving their cars, light trucks, and motorcycles, while highway subsidies averaged 1.1 cents per passenger-mile. Subsidies to highway trucking, incidentally, averaged 0.8 cents per ton-mile. These highway subsidies compare to subsidies of 1.1 cents per passenger-mile to air travelers, 36 cents to Amtrak passengers, and $1.09 to transit riders. Amazingly, air travel is by far the least-expensive mode of travel, costing passengers just 13.8 cents per passenger-mile, while Amtrak fares average 38 cents and transit fares 30 cents per passenger-mile.”
mieses · 2013-10-20
The Antiplanner is a great blog that questions whether rail makes any sense at all. http://ti.org/antiplanner/
nullc · 2023-05-01
I don't really follow. The idea for roads is that congestion moderates the utility of roads, so over a wide range of capacities roads will remain congested or even become more congested as you add roads, since if you build more you make the roads more useful (reaching more places faster, through better connections or increased capacity) and so people will use them more, potentially resulting in more congestion but almost certainly not less. The parallel idea for housing would be that cost moderates the utility of the city, people move into the city until the cost matches the benefits of density for them (driving up costs and pushing out people for whom the equation no longer works out). If you add units, you've just allowed more people to move from Idaho into the city, and made the entire city potentially more valuable from increased network effect and caused costs to go up further. This process shouldn't be expected make it affordable to live in the city, unless you've managed to either damage the utility of living in the city through the secondary effects of increased population/density or you've managed to build enough supply the you can sink the entire worldwide demand for living in one of the best and most valuable place, such that there are no more wealthier people anywhere in the world to sell to and you must go down market to get more customers. It would however, increase the number of people who can have the benefits of living there, but at the cost of…
xnx · 2025-09-21
I can't read the article. What does it say? It looks like Amtrak trips are up 7.5% since 2019 (https://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=23182). Does that count as booming?
fmajid · 2021-01-24
I’ve been to the Bell Labs Holmdel office in the 90s, and every single parking spot was taken, and with a mixed residential development it must be even more in demand. The article spouts a lot of trendy urban-planner ideology, trying to shoehorn facts into a predetermined narrative like hostility to cars. See this blog for why those policies are so misguided: http://ti.org/antiplanner/
hodgesrm · 2019-09-07
Your statement about trains is not correct. US rail is optimized for transporting goods rather than people and overall does a good job. It is also quite profitable. For example, the Union Pacific 10-K shows a healthy profit for FY 2018. [0] One recent stat I found claimed that in the US 43% of freight travels by rail whereas in the EU it's only 10%. [1] European highways are consequently choked with trucks, something you notice pretty quickly if you drive in countries like Germany. It's easy to overlook, though, when traveling in one of their nice passenger trains. :) [0] https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/@uprr/@investor/documents/investor… [1] https://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=11847
jeffrey_t_b · 2018-01-17
Well, even if you say that capital expenses are irrelevant considering the very long time frame, you still have to make the argument that operating expenses of the rail are smaller. What are they, and are they smaller than air travel (~$0.10/passenger-mile)? The only estimate of that I could find with two minutes of googling is ~$0.39/passenger-mile (via http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=88 supposedly using the National Transit Database). That means that a rail line is even _worse_ in the long run.
barney54 · 2017-02-17
I'm not sure the data support the claim, at least in the US, that we under provision transit. We slight subsidizing driving, but not by much, and I agree that that should stop. Here's the numbers. http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=12133
PantaloonFlames · 2016-03-24
> We need to value density as it allows for more compact living. rack em and stack em, eh? recent research finds that people living in low-density suburbs are happier than people living in cities. People living in rural areas are happiest of all. http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=11673 We can promote more "compact living" but the data shows it degrades human happiness.
kevinburke · 2013-01-11
The VTA is one of the worst public transit agencies in the USA. They're continuing to push for more money for expanded routes, in spite of the projected low ridership. More coverage of this topic, dating back a few years: http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=289 http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=475
bobthepanda · 2023-02-27
NYC needs to build more. Transport networks really benefit from network effects; each additional line benefits from connecting to the existing network. The IBX rail project was recently proposed in New York and found to have 100k+ daily riders, which blows pretty much everything else in the US out of the water. The other issue is that land use planning in the US except in a select few places like New York is really bad for transit. Transit can certainly be "build it and they will come", but also the land around transit needs to legally permit that as well. Rail is only really efficient at high utilization, and most US cities refuse to permit the development that makes rail useful. This comparison picture really brings home the point that in most US cities the land use is causing rail value per dollar spent to be really low: Atlanta and Barcelona had similar population numbers and metro lengths in 1990. https://ti.org/images/AtlantavBarcelonametro.jpg
wil421 · 2019-10-03
That is not the case at all[1]. I appreciate the thought out post and tone /sarcasm. For further reading.[2] > The picture for freight is different. According to Panorama 2009 , 46 percent of EU-27 freight goes by highway while only 10 percent goes by rail, while in the U.S. 43 percent goes by rail and only 30 percent by road. (In both cases, nearly all of the rest is waterways and pipelines.) So, it isn’t so much that Europe decided to move people by train rather than by automobile. It is more that Europe decided to use its railroads to move people while the United States decided to use them for freight. America moves almost six times as many ton-miles (or tonne-kilometers) of freight by rail as Europe, while both move about the same number of tonne-kilometers by road. While Europe moves about twice as many tkm of freight by waterway as the U.S., we move six times as much oil by pipeline. [1] https://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=11847 [2] https://www.freightwaves.com/news/railroad/us-and-european-freight-rai…
100ideas · 2018-09-13
Freight traffic dominates the utilization of the rail network in the US and is prioritized over other traffic. Freight trains travel slowly. This is why US passenger train service is so poor compared to Europe. > The picture for freight is different. According to Panorama 2009 , 46 percent of EU-27 freight goes by highway while only 10 percent goes by rail, while in the U.S. 43 percent goes by rail and only 30 percent by road. (In both cases, nearly all of the rest is waterways and pipelines.) > So, it isn’t so much that Europe decided to move people by train rather than by automobile. It is more that Europe decided to use its railroads to move people while the United States decided to use them for freight. America moves almost six times as many ton-miles (or tonne-kilometers) of freight by rail as Europe, while both move about the same number of tonne-kilometers by road. While Europe moves about twice as many tkm of freight by waterway as the U.S., we move six times as much oil by pipeline. [6] - area of Continental US: 3.12 million sq mi [1] - area of Europe: 2.306 million sq mi [1] - rail network length, US: 141,808 mi [2] - rail network length, Europe: 157,667 mi [3] - goods carried, US: 1.558 trillion lg tn mi/yr (long ton-miles per year) (world rank: 1st) (2015 estimate) [4] - goods carried, "Europe": 0.32604 trillion lg tn mi/yr (long ton-miles per year) [1]…

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