Shadowproof
shadowproof.com · Group blog · on HN since 2015
Shadowproof is an independent news site covering civil liberties, whistleblowers, press freedom, and the Julian Assange extradition case.
What HN saysHN commenters link it as a source for Assange trial coverage that they say the mainstream media was not providing.
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- 1Guide to journalists assange trial upset by media blackout4 people · first shared 2020
- 2Khaled el masri stands up to cia intimidation supports assange during extradition trial2 people · first shared 2020
- 3Federal Judge Strikes Down Idaho ‘Ag-Gag Law’1 people · 281 points · first shared 2015 · 152 comments on HN
- 4In Assange Extradition Case, British High Court Expands US Appeal1 people · 26 points · first shared 2021 · discussion on HN
- 5Iowa ‘Ag-Gag’ Journalism-Suprression Law Ruled Unconstitutional1 people · 4 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 6Report: 74% of Billionaire wealth comes from rent-seeking1 people · 3 points · first shared 2016 · 1 comments on HN
- 7The United States government's just lost their case against Julian Assange1 people · 3 points · first shared 2021 · 1 comments on HN
- 8Daniel Ellsberg: Preventing Extermination of Humanity by Nukes1 people · 3 points · first shared 2018 · discussion on HN
- 9NSA Inspector General May Be Fired for Whistleblower Retaliation1 people · 2 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
- 10Conn. May Curb Blanket Discrimination Against People with Criminal Records1 people · 1 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 11Accelerate the News Industry's Shift from Clicks to Credibility1 people · 1 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 12Trump schwartz grenell wikileaks extradition death penalty1 people · first shared 2020
- 13Why is alex berezow allowed to write on economics1 people · first shared 2018
- 14Greek bailout is a bank bailout1 people · first shared 2020
- 15Judge railroads assange as legal team objects to fresh extradition request1 people · first shared 2020
What HN people wrote when they linked it
k1m · 2020-09-25
No, lots of people are reporting on it, just not the corporate media. See here for links to people who are: https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/21/guide-to-journalists-assange-trial-…
Craig Murray is providing the most thorough write-ups of each day in my opinion, but you can easily follow the others listed in that link above if you want to see how others report it. Doubt you'll get a very different picture.
HugeAcumen · 2020-09-21
Dear lord.
Zero articles in the past two weeks. If you've been following the case at all, there's been a Hell of a lot to report, from Amnesty and EU ministers despairing at having their monitor access revoked at the last minute, to Khaled El Masri's absolutely jaw-dropping testimony [1].
They have a front page post right now about "concern" over a "fan invasion" of the pitch in a GAA game (Gaelic Athletics Association). And another about some celeb confirmed to be on the next "Dancing with the Stars".
If anyone reading this is the type to blame people for being uninformed, please take this into account.
[1] https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/18/khaled-el-masri-stands-up-to-cia-in…
mariusor · 2020-09-21
I've been following the reporting from the witness testimonies and some of them detailed that a lot of work has went into editing (and supressing some of) the documents that he supposedly released without censoring names of assets. I posted these links previously in the thread but Daniel Ellsberg talks a bit about how this was handled:
https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/16/pentagon-papers-ellsberg-extraditio…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public…
etc-hosts · 2020-09-21
Links to trial coverage (hope you love Twitter)
https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/21/guide-to-journalists-assange-trial-…
acqq · 2020-09-22
For anybody who will again try to argue that he helped hacking and therefore all mistreatment of him is excusable, considering the actual US charges, apparently:
"just one of the 18 charges relate to computer intrusion and it carries just 5 years' jail, compared to the 175 years Assange faces if the maximum sentence was awarded."
The case is then clearly about 170 years worth of charges, not about hacking (the rest 5 years). And these charges are all the "Espionage Act" charges for a non-US person doing obviously a journalistic work outside of the US.
Independently of that, in the article is, among other topics, a described testimony about the chronology of how the unredacted documents became public and a reference to the article:
https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/21/trump-schwartz-grenell-wikileaks-ex…
Which (a bit chaotically) describes the testimony of Cassandra Fairbanks about what she knows happened in or around White House related to Assange. Interestingly:
"The prosecution did not object to the truth of the matter asserted — that Trump officials were directly involved in plans against Assange."
sykick · 2020-02-25
I think you have misread what I’ve written. I keep mentioning that lending is a two party relationship and that both parties are responsible and should both suffer. I’ve agreed that the Greek government was corrupt and had shady accounting practices. But the lenders knew this and still lent money. The so called bailouts of Greece were nothing more than a means of propping up the German and French banking sector [1]. The only people that genuinely suffered were the Greek people. The bankers didn’t suffer. The taxpayers in Germany and France suffered a small amount since some of their taxes went to pay to prop up their banking sectors. However, given the nature of the single currency market and how it greatly benefits Germany this should be considered a minor cost of business and doing this occasionally is worthwhile for Germany.
Why do you ignore the fact that lenders knew the sorry state of standards in Greece and still lent massive amounts of money to Greece? Why did they continue to lend money? Isn’t the most likely reason being that the people involved in making the loans do so for short term gain knowing they won’t go to jail and they personally won’t go bankrupt? You keep neglecting to hold the lender accountable. I’ve repeatedly mentioned that borrower should suffer and is responsible. All I’ve done is mention that the lender should be held responsible too. Isn’t it obvious that the lender should be held responsible? And by lender I mean the people…
pmoriarty · 2018-05-08
From [1]:
"One major problem with this argument is the lack of a definition with rent control. Yes, the statistic of 93 percent of economists rejecting rent control is all fine, but what specific rent control are we speaking about? Here is the question he either refuses to answer or does not know much about.
"In the Economics Anti-Textbook by Rod Hills and Tonny Myatt, they do talk about the neoclassical idea of rent control, but give an alternative view as well. They write:
But knowing the extent to which the ceiling rent is binding over
time is very tricky. It’s complicated by the fact that we cannot
observe the equilibrium rent. A second complication is that the type
of rent control prevalent nowadays is very different from the type
assumed in textbooks -- a rigid rent freeze.
"What Berezow is saying is that "first-generation rent control" is rejected by many economists. For those unaware, it is, as stated above, "a rigid rent freeze." However,
"second-generation" rent control is more flexible as it can allow "automatic rent increases geared to increasing costs, excludes luxury high-rent buildings and new
buildings, restricts conversions, decontrols between tenants, and provides incentives for landlords to maintain or improve quality.""
[1] - https://shadowproof.com/2013/11/11/why-is-alex-berezow-allowed-to-writ…
boomboomsubban · 2021-07-19
I was sort of wrong. The people forbidden access were mostly humanitarian groups, see https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/07/not-normal-human-rights-p… and the full list of press members that requested access is shamefully small, see https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/21/guide-to-journalists-assange-trial-…
IndySun · 2020-09-22
The list on Shadowproof site is useful.
https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/21/guide-to-journalists-assange-trial-…
AndrewBissell · 2020-09-18
Woops! Here it is: https://shadowproof.com/2020/09/18/khaled-el-masri-stands-up-to-cia-in…
farss · 2019-12-19
It doesn't really matter, they can still use pre-publication review to jack you up by redacting even what is otherwise publicly available information and delay publication until the news cycle has moved on. The process is arbitrary and politicized, and widely considered to have become a First Amendment issue, which is not surprising, since the modern review process emerged in the 70s when the CIA was trying to mute public criticism by former employees of the lies, abuse, and failures of the Vietnam War.
[1] https://www.lawfareblog.com/path-dependence-and-pre-publication-review…
[2] https://shadowproof.com/2019/12/18/us-government-censorship-system-law…
mrobot · 2019-04-05
What about this "perjury trap" thing?
https://shadowproof.com/2019/03/21/chelsea-manning-believes-grand-jury…
greenyoda · 2018-11-04
Note: These were published in 2015.
Here are a couple of articles from the time that discuss the content:
https://shadowproof.com/2015/06/23/the-saudi-cables-revelations-from-i…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/21/saudi-arabia-ignore-wiki…
jesperlang · 2017-12-15
This reminds me of trophic cascades and e.g the unintuitive link that killing wolfs affects riverbeds:
https://shadowproof.com/2014/02/20/trophic-cascade-how-wolves-change-r…
It like we can't understand complex systems very well. Almost everything we do seem to have to have major unintended consequences. We see this over and over again, we have to abandon the "as cheap and fast as possible" thinking !
EliRivers · 2017-10-13
Torture worked the first time. The other 182 times that month were just for the fun of it.
https://shadowproof.com/2009/04/18/khalid-sheikh-mohammed-was-waterboa…
deepnet · 2016-04-30
Boeing lost a $4.5 billion contract for jets, soured by the Petrobras "Blackpearl" & "Blarney" slides that detailed NSA & GCHQ spying on businesses worldwide[1].
NSA's James Clapper issued a denial "What we do not do, as we have said many times, is use our foreign intelligence capabilities to steal the trade secrets of foreign companies on behalf of – or give intelligence we collect to – US companies to enhance their international competitiveness or increase their bottom line."
By 2014 overseas contract losses to US businesses attributed to dissatisfaction with NSA spying were estimated at $180 billion [2]
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-pet…
[2] https://shadowproof.com/2014/08/01/nsa-spying-costs-u-s-companies-up-t…
class4behavior · 2020-06-13
While I don't really like JA, tend not to trust him, and disagree with a lot of his choices, it is unquestionable that he suffered a lot of injustice; while the public turned on him and continues to fall for simplified coverage of all matters involving him. The latest example, I believe, was the report on his life at the embassy and how he received the email archive in 2016.
[1] is the popular CNN version, while a week earlier El Pais reported [2] very differently on the very same material. And that still doesn't address CNN's suspicious depiction and emphasis of the evil hackers (German CCC members) who visited JA.
That reminds me, since the ECHR or CJEU—I don't remember which one—ruled that you can't sentence a person to prison forever, wouldn't it be inhumane to extradite someone when the potential degree of penalty is over 150 years?
[1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-exclusive-…
[2]: https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/09/inenglish/1562663427_2246…
[3]: https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/07/15/on-cnns-wikileaks-exclusive-reme…
[4]: https://shadowproof.com/2019/07/15/cnn-twists-ecuador-embassy-surveill…