P2P Foundation
p2pfoundation.net · Group blog · on HN since 2009
The P2P Foundation is a research network documenting peer production, commons economics, open hardware, and alternative licenses and currencies.
What HN saysHN links it for pages on topics like Ripple and trust-network payments, and for commons and licensing ideas in discussions of open source.
20HN people shared it
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Most-shared posts
- 1Venture Communism2 people · 7 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 2Psyops targeting the P2P Foundation1 people · 2 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 3Open Sourcing Digital Medical Devices1 people · 2 points · first shared 2015 · 1 comments on HN
- 4Swiss WIR Cooperative Currency - P2P Foundation1 people · 2 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 5Ten Commandments of Peer Production and Commons Economics1 people · 2 points · first shared 2015 · discussion on HN
- 6RONJA: A Case study of a failed Open Hardware project1 people · 1 points · first shared 2015 · discussion on HN
- 7Peer Production License - P2P Foundation1 people · 1 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 8Attention Trust1 people · first shared 2012
- 9CopyFair License1 people · first shared 2016
- 10Panoply1 people · first shared 2011
- 11Open Business1 people · first shared 2015
- 12Complementary Currencies in Japan1 people · first shared 2013
- 13Crowdfunding1 people · first shared 2009
- 14Why We Need a New Kind of Open Cooperativism for the P2P Age1 people · first shared 2015
- 15About the p2p foundation1 people · first shared 2024
What HN people wrote when they linked it
siosonel · 2016-03-05
You might be interested in this idea of routing payments through a trust network, http://p2pfoundation.net/Ripple.
I'm just a curious onlooker and not directly involved with the idea, but there is a blockchain related implementation at https://ripple.com/, and other implementations of the original idea at https://classic.ripplepay.com/ and https://villages.cc/.
userbinator · 2014-03-28
> it's to look closely at the new thing, understand why people like it better, and then bring that understanding to your next iteration or your next product.
I agree with this, and the "copy, then improve" mindset, along with the customer-centric view, has some great similarities to the "shanzhai" culture in China:
http://designmind.frogdesign.com/articles/shanzhai-s-role-in-innovatio…
http://p2pfoundation.net/Shanzhai
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=284
On the Internet, I see this same remix philosophy manifest itself very strongly in the creation and propagation of memes.
erikerikson · 2024-04-18
I'm sorry that I don't have a good index or personal awareness to share. Boyd's book linked in a peer response is a source but otherwise I can only offer that B-Corps [0] or Benefit Corps are the formally/legally recognized entry into space. A structure like the FairShares Common is a sophistication, based on the articles of incorporation above and beyond establishing legal obligations to a purpose (as is part of B-Corp incorporation). It is, itself, based on the FairShares [1] and Commons ideas [2].
[0] https://www.bcorporation.net/en-us/ [1] https://www.fairshares.coop/fairshares-model/ [2] https://p2pfoundation.net/the-p2p-foundation/about-the-p2p-foundation
dilemma · 2016-03-12
"Once it reaches a certain threshold, the process of institutionalization becomes counter-productive."
- Ivan Illich
This is an example of why planning doesn't work. And the unforeseen side-effect of any policy is an example of why central control is not just inefficient but often counter-productive -- why hiring processes to identify high-capacity creative individuals select for the opposite; why the school system produces not learning but limits it so as to produce ignorance; why housing policies aim to improve cities and lower inequality makes cities like San Francisco and Stockholm some of the most unequal in the world.
http://p2pfoundation.net/Counterproductivity
dpc_pw · 2016-02-17
I agree with him yet I find GPL deeply unsatisfying. Web companies can take GPL software and use it without returning anything etc. and it does not harm them at all.
The distinction should be between for-profit/commercial and open-source. If you're making money on open source, you should chip in to reward the authors, and license should enforce it.
That's why I'm in contact with CopyFair License people: http://p2pfoundation.net/CopyFair_License to create a CopyFair Software License and even a collaborative software development model CopyFair Corp: https://github.com/CopyFairCorp/copyfair
The idea is: people work on open source software and get shares in return. Software is free to use for other free projects, and must be paid for to use commercially. Any income is distributed between the authors according to "shares" in the project.
nosuchthing · 2015-09-09
Somewhat relevant, the Open Mustard Seed project;
The Open Mustard Seed (OMS) project is an open-source framework
for developing and deploying web apps in a secure,
user-centric personal cloud. The framework provides a
stack of core technologies that work together to provide
a high level of security and ease of use when sharing and
collecting personal and environmental data, controlling
web-enabled devices, and engaging with others to
aggregate information and view the results of applied
computation via protected services.
https://docs.openmustardseed.org/
https://github.com/IDCubed/oms-docs
http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Mustard_Seed
innovator116 · 2015-05-29
Multi-stakeholding coops http://community-wealth.org/content/solidarity-business-model-multi-st…
and open cooperativism http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_…
points to transition towards post-capitalism. As for lack of capital fairshares model is interesting http://www.fairshares-association.com/
fit2rule · 2015-01-18
I'm reminded of the RONJA project, which accomplishes something similar but on a much bigger scale (and level of expense), but which nevertheless proved quite promising:
http://ronja.twibright.com/about.php
As a side note, this project is interesting for another reason - its a textbook example of a failed open source project:
http://p2pfoundation.net/Ronja
.. which didn't quite hit the sweet spot for mass adoption/production, because of a commercial fork of the project. Very interesting reading both from the perspective of transferring high-rate data over long distances on the cheap, technologically, and then not actually getting off the ground and doing it on a mass level, because: politics.
jmcmichael · 2014-06-04
The interviewee, Davide Graeber, is considered to be one of the leading figures of the Occupy movement so probably does not believe that a solution to this problem lies with the confines of modern capitalism. He identifies himself as an anarchist.
There's more detail on his political/economic views in his book, 'Debt: The First 5000 Years':
http://p2pfoundation.net/First_Five_Thousand_Years_of_Debt
infinite_vision · 2011-09-08
There is this new economic system being proposed to address all these realities of the future with the advancement of automation:
http://p2pfoundation.net/Panoply
onreact-com · 2009-08-26
The actual term is crowdfunding.
See:
http://p2pfoundation.net/Crowdfunding
waldir · 2015-04-23
That's addressed in the first section in the document: https://github.com/waldyrious/awesome-open-company#what-is-an-open-com…
In short, there isn't a standard, universally agreed definition, but there's a common pattern in:
- the definition I used ("a for-profit organization whose core practices are guided by principles of openness, transparency and interoperability. This philosophy can be summarized by the maxim: Share as much as possible, charge as little as possible.")
- the Open Company Initiative (http://opencompany.org) definition: "Companies committed to openness as a defining element in how [they] create value."
- the Wikipedia definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_business): "an approach to enterprise that draws on ideas from openness movements like free software, open source, open content and open tools and standards. The approach places value on transparency, stakeholder inclusion, and accountability."
- the P2P Foundation definition (http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Business): "a business that operates around the principles that are similar to those of the free software and open source movements, i.e. with 'free' and 'open' content."
Let me know if my synthesis (the first definition above) seems innacurate or incomplete.
VandyILL · 2013-06-27
Stephenbez,
Thanks so much for your feedback.
The post was meant to put as much information on the table as possible to solicit as much criticism as possible. Definitely not trying to sell someone on the idea right here / right now. More of enticing people to collaborate.
If I had to do an elevator pitch it would probably be along the lines of "A mobile app that allows people to trade securities for goods & services instead of cash. This lets people without disposable income for investment have a chance to participate in the market, it helps isolate people's money from risky parts of the market they dislike, it helps shift investment towards areas traditional investors may discredit but consumers advocate for, and puts something tangible behind the currency your exchanging."
Thanks for posting the Credit Theory of Money Article. I definitely agree with parts of this theory & that money is just a way to account for debts owed & credit extended. Another way I envision it is similar to PG's discussion of wealth and believe that money is just a ledger to facilitate the exchange of the wealth.
This system kind of branches off from the Credit Theory though in that the currency would not be just a representation of credits and debits, it would be backed by securities/investments in companies that have actual value. (Of course, these instruments are all just other forms of credit/debt, but at least in this case there is some form of physical / intellectual property/value…
danboarder · 2012-10-31
"In the old world products were scarce - this meant that companies who provided product could profit from the demand.
In the digital world, where abundance is key (creating a digital copy costs next to nothing) it is a customer's attention that has become scarce. This means that the customer now holds the value - not the company." - Chris Saad
Some people did see this commoditisation of human behavior coming back in 2005 and promoted the idea of the 'Attention Economy' which had a goal of putting people back in control of the content they create and view online with tools like the Attention Recorder from Attention Trust (now defunct, but you can read about it here http://p2pfoundation.net/Attention_Trust ).
The current idea of social is to capture much more than eyeballs and clicks of course, with checkins for places, Runkeeper and many other health apps for tracking/sharing activities, and so on... nearly everything we do is a potential data point for commercialization that a startup will want to capitalize on. This is fine if the user clearly understands the relationship.
I expect it was too early when the 'Attention Economy' ideas emerged but now perhaps we'll see projects that resurrect some of that early work and build on it to empower users of social tools to take control of both their attention and the data points they are sharing.
addl reading: http://p2pfoundation.net/Attention_Economy