Music Think Tank
musicthinktank.com · Group blog · on HN since 2009
Music Think Tank is a group blog where musicians and industry people discuss music marketing, streaming economics, and the business of music.
What HN saysHN links it in discussions of streaming payouts and fan funding; commenters cite its posts but give little direct opinion of it.
16HN people shared it
3linked it in comments
20stories submitted
150story points
7 years agolast shared
2009people per year2026
Most-shared posts
- 1Spotiwhy? : Are Subscription Music Services a Sustainable Business Model?1 people · 46 points · first shared 2011 · 31 comments on HN
- 2Musician makes 26.3% of his net income from just 40 hard- core fans1 people · 38 points · first shared 2009 · 12 comments on HN
- 3Hey YouTube! 750 indies have signed their declaration of war1 people · 22 points · first shared 2014 · 3 comments on HN
- 4Earbits Online Radio and "Promoted Spins"1 people · 20 points · first shared 2012 · 8 comments on HN
- 5What happened? A rant about the work ethic of many musicians1 people · 4 points · first shared 2009 · 3 comments on HN
- 6You bought it, you own it, you should be able to do what you want with it1 people · 3 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 7What are the ‘Music Industries’?1 people · 2 points · first shared 2010 · discussion on HN
- 8Why Musicians Should Build An App1 people · 2 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 9The Future of Music Marketing: Direct to Device1 people · 2 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 10Fonts and Branding: How Typography Affects Your Identity in the Music Industry1 people · 1 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 11How Do We Benefit From Music Streaming? Can We?1 people · 1 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 12100 great tips for indie artists1 people · 1 points · first shared 2009 · discussion on HN
- 13A New Breed of Artists1 people · 1 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 14Examining Musicians’ Revenue Streams in the New Digital Landscape1 people · 1 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 15You have to learn to live with bitterness1 people · 1 points · first shared 2009 · discussion on HN
What HN people wrote when they linked it
isostatic · 2019-10-27
> For example, Spotify says that its average payout for a stream to labels and publishers is between $0.006 and $0.0084 but Information Is Beautiful suggests that the average payment to an artist from the label portion of that is $0.001128 – this being what a signed artist receives after the label's share
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/03/how-much-musicians-…
This seems to clear it up
> We aggregate all of this revenue from these two streams, and distribute back 70% in royalties based on a pro rata share in accordance with the popularity of a piece of music. For example, if one of your songs has been streamed 1% of the total number of streams in a month, you will get 1% of the 70% of royalties we pay out to rights holders.
http://www.musicthinktank.com/mtt-open/how-does-spotify-pay-artists-an…
If the latter is true, let’s assume everyone pays $15 a month for Spotify and there’s 1 million subscribers each listening to 1000 songs a month
900k listen to Ed Sheeran exclusively 1000 times
100k listen 1 times to each of 100 indie bands.
Total revenue $15m
Total royalties $10m
Ed Sheehan gets 900m listens
Each indie band gets 100k listens - total 10m listens
Ed Sheehan gets $9.9m
Each indie band gets $1k
You’d think that the $15 the Indy subscriber would pay would go equally to the 100 bands - giving 15k per band, and 9.4m for Ed, but it apparently doesn’t work that way.
Those who binge listen are…
yongjik · 2016-05-24
> Lets assume you were able to capture even 0.01% of googles customers ...
Reminds me of this story:
http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/and-if-only-1-of-those-people.html
sivers · 2010-06-18
Why?
1. to put ads on the giant armada site and collectively make a little money?
2. to make sure your blog posts are read by people of like-minds?
It seems that Hacker News is already taking care of #2, so is the only reason #1?
I'd be glad to cross-post to the giant armada when they seem of interest to other hackers/entrepreneurs. But I'll still be posting everything on my own site.
This is what I do at MusicThinkTank - maybe a similar idea. Example: http://www.musicthinktank.com/blog/after-15-years-of-practice.html
There my music-focused posts get another audience that isn't checking my own personal site.
But then, if there was a Hacker News type site for “music think tank” type people, there wouldn't be a need for musicthinktank.com.
So is it just for the money?