Jeremiah Grossman
jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2008
Jeremiah Grossman, a web security researcher, wrote about browser attacks, annual top web hacking techniques, and vulnerability disclosure.
What HN saysHN commenters cite his 2006 browser history-sniffing demo and Gecko attack posts as early examples, and his top-ten web hacking lists.
21HN people shared it
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Most-shared posts
- 1I know where youve been7 people · first shared 2009
- 2I know your name, where you work, and live (Safari v4 & v5)3 people · 167 points · first shared 2010 · 54 comments on HN
- 3Advanced web attack techniques using2 people · first shared 2011
- 4Aaron's suicide: System Contributed, Society Perpetuated1 people · 20 points · first shared 2013 · 1 comments on HN
- 5Written Speech: TEDxMaui -- Hack Yourself First1 people · 6 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 6Crossdomain.xml Invites Cross-site Mayhem1 people · 4 points · first shared 2008 · 1 comments on HN
- 7Top Ten Web Hacking Techniques of 20101 people · 3 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 8Top Ten Web Hacking Techniques of 20081 people · 3 points · first shared 2009 · discussion on HN
- 9Our infrastructure -- Assessing Over 2,000 websites1 people · 2 points · first shared 2010 · discussion on HN
- 10Why website vulnerabilities are not fixed1 people · 2 points · first shared 2009 · discussion on HN
- 11Replacing Happiness with Pride (Rugged)1 people · 1 points · first shared 2010 · discussion on HN
- 12Web Browsers and Opt-In Security1 people · 1 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 13Homepage1 people · first shared 2010
- 14Is testing for xss illegal1 people · first shared 2012
What HN people wrote when they linked it
chair6 · 2010-09-24
The Top-10 is just a start. As a penetration tester and sometimes-trainer, I find it's when developers start to see practical demonstrations of what these vulnerabilities can actually allow a malicious party to achieve that the eyes really get opened. Particularly when those demonstrations are within their own applications.
Check out the rest of the OWASP site, and play with WebGoat (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Project).
Take a look at the 'Web Security' section here: http://code.google.com/edu/courses.html
Start following some of the many webappsec blogs floating around the interwebs, subscribe to mailing lists, read tweets:
http://www.gnucitizen.org/
http://ha.ckers.org/
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/
http://www.webappsec.org/lists/websecurity/
http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23WebAppSec
There is a huge amount of information out there.
aarongough · 2009-09-02
Great link!
A bit of Googling reveals that this exploit looks like it was authored by Jeremiah Grossman on August 11 2006.
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h…
That seems like a very long time for an exploit so obviously useful to stay around...
dalke · 2014-06-06
No. Or rather, there isn't supposed to be. About 8 years ago (see http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h… for an early demonstration) it was possible. This was considered bad, because it could help malicious sites gain information about the browser history which might help with an attack.
The browser developers responded by minimizing what a ":visited" can do, so Javascript shouldn't be able to get direct, or indirect through CSS, access to that information.
dpup · 2013-02-05
If I remember correctly, it was first discovered pretty soon after a version of Gecko was introduced with support for setters/getters, and Gecko had minority market share at that time.
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/01/advanced-web-attack-techn…
objclxt · 2012-07-16
It depends on a number of things. If you've documented your communications with them and have repeatedly tried to get in touch you may feel like disclosing publicly. A year is more than enough time to fix a XSS issue, and nobody would really judge you for going public with it.
However, this might depend on where you live. Some countries (like the UK, where I'm typing this from) make testing website for vulnerabilities illegal, no matter how serious the issue or good the intentions[1]. Very few people are actually caught by these laws, but there is always a risk that you piss off a litigious company, who then go after you.
[1]:http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.co.uk/2006/09/is-testing-for-xss-ille…
jcampbell1 · 2011-06-18
This attack was used successfully against gmail in Jan 2006.
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/01/advanced-web-attack-techn…
kogir · 2010-10-24
Two major problems come to mind.
1) Breaks password managers and broswers' save password function. Many users are helpless without these.
2) You know how your browser helpfully remembers and fills in your name and address across different websites? Yeah, now it'll fill in your username and password too, making it accessible via javascript to any site that wants it. Since the password isn't in a password field, the browser doesn't know to restrict it to the original site.
For an example of using javascript to get this kind of information, see Jeremiah Grossman's blog: http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2010/07/i-know-who-your-name-wher…
gridspy · 2010-02-15
It was just a matter of time before the CSS history trick was put to use. I can see the benefits, though I don't like the privacy implications.
History trick here (JS, no cookies, can poll user's web history):
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h…
mahmud · 2009-10-21
both of you need to be on the internet "more often". It's a CSS history trick at least a few years old.
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h…
jeroen · 2009-09-02
At least 3 years old:
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h…
DrewHintz · 2010-02-15
People have been using this technique in this way since at least 2006:
http://int2e.com/blog/improved-digg-integration-script/
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h…
Since changing browsers to prevent this will not happen tomorrow, this can be partially worked around both server and client-side.
Server-side: If you have any sensitive URIs you don't want leaked or brute-forced, add an extra parameter containing a random value. URIs you might want to protect are those with XSRF tokens or session IDs. URIs can be brute-forced locally on the victim at a speed of approximately 40,000 URIs per second.
Client-side: Use incognito mode for sensitive surfing. Plugins such as noscript can partially defend against this, however it's possible to do history detection using pure CSS which I believe will work even if you're using noscript.
Update: Fixnum posted another client-side solution "in Firefox, go to about:config and turn off layout.css.visited_links_enabled"
fertqer13412 · 2009-04-26
This issue is nine years old at this point and has been published, republished, and blogged countless times. I yearn for the day it stops wasting space on the front page of news aggregators.
A partial bibliography:
2000:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57351
2002:
http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2002/Feb/0271.html
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147777
2006:
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1135777.1135884
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1135777.1135854
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2006/08/i-know-where-youve-been.h…
2008:
http://azarask.in/blog/post/socialhistoryjs/
http://www.mikeonads.com/2008/07/13/using-your-browser-url-history-est…