Artem S. Tashkinov

> Everything just works under Linux If you mean a Linux desktop PC, then no. I have been using a Linux desktop for many years, but not exclusively. I have tried, but I always have had at least a dual-boot with Windows. Yes, you have more control under Linux, but the reason I still use Windows sometimes is that many things just don't work properly. Just look at here for a list: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop… Or, from a less technical perspective, look at the LinusTechTips video series where he tries to use Linux as a daily driver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M And I love linux, I have a Linux desktop at home, which is pretty minimal by the way (Debian mini.iso), and that that it doesn't do weird things behind my back is appreciable. But it absolutely doesn't "just work".

re: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop… super tangential but am I the only one who has an undying love for the Tahoma font?

I agree with you. I like it when people rip the thing to shreds for valid reasons, like this article: https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-11-sucks.html Excellent articles on Linux and other systems too, by the way, if you have the time.

The list is so convoluted while it doesn't touch on real Windows issues at all. Wow. And it often talks about issues which have been resolved, or haven't been relevant in ages, or are not a concern for most people out there. https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html And some things from it are outright cringe-worthy, e.g. "Ineffectual read-only permissions semantics". Windows ACL for files/directories is 100 more powerful than what Linux offers. Some Windows advantages are shown as shortcomings, e.g. case-insensitive filenames vs. case-sensitivity in Linux which in absolute most times just leads to confusion. In my 20+ years of using Linux I haven't found a single usecase for case sensitivity.

My favorite Linux desktop TODO list: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.…

"Was it really worth it?" - is better than nothing, at least something happens. But things like only providing "just core" protocol and then functionality depends on compositor I would say is less than ideal architecture. There are some more criticism on https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop… go to "Wayland and its compositors", I think is pretty accurate for wayland (sorry, I use xfce environment on X11 and do not use wayland everyday). Probably nothing new from me, but I imagine that replacement should come from team with same attitude which created pipewire (obviously nothing is perfect, but for me it really felt as modern replacement) and tough about following functionality: * multi-monitor, 30bpc, variable refresh rate, fractional scaling and etc; * in architecture foresee RDP, accessibility use cases; * requiring session manager to implement common desktop services: clipboard, hook on screensaver/lock, global keyboard shortcut integration, light/dark whatever theme controller, battery saving mode and everything that today is required for common desktop (maybe mobile) functionality (I would take inspiration from Android, IOS, Windows); * have minimal widget and dialog set (it can be session manager requirement): message box, file open/save, simple window with buttons; * allow server side widget processing/display – obviously it would decouple GUI interfaces even further, but with smart RPC programming it will have…

Probably it will still have problems. Gnome 3 is part of a bigger problem. Here is the most complete explanation on why Linux is not popular on desktop. https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop… Recently the list shrank, but many problems still exist. https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

> If you're looking to save some RAM, this ain't it. Not because LXQt is memory hungry, but because Plasma is so damn efficient these days. Not according to these benchmarks: https://itvision.altervista.org/linux-desktop-environments-system-usag… https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2022/07/12/desktop-environments-resourc…

> Why would Wayland use more resources Memory usage, I do not know what sway uses, but I expect it to be much more than the corresponding WM under X https://itvision.altervista.org/linux-desktop-environments-system-usag…

https://itvision.altervista.org/linux-desktop-environments-system-usag… According to this test it uses approximately as much RAM as GNOME and 1GB more than XFCE. I guess on older hardware with 8GB RAM XFCE would make more sense, perhaps even for mobile devices where battery life is a scarce resource.

No need, you can just go read on https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

It may be "terrible"¹ (even it works for me, and a lot of other just fine) but it's not broken beyond usability at least! And even if it would be as broken as macOS it's free and supports much more hardware—compared to something where you pay even a premium to be bound to only one vendor. So the main question remains. ¹ https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

I'm a hardcore Linux user, but this is a simplistic vision. Ubuntu still runs a broken Bluetooth stack by default (and they've ignored the reports). HiDPI/multimonitor support seems to be insufficient (based on reports; I don't suffer from it), and there is a sadly realistic long list of issues¹. To say that "Linux has all the utilities you will ever need" is false for a non negligible amount of users; some unique programs are not available on Linux (even Office documents can't be fully handled on Linux with 100% confidence of compatibility). With that in mind, I personally think that Linux is mature enough for light users (browsing and non-professional Office usage), which I suppose are a significant amount of the userbase. ¹=https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

A counterpoint to this argument can be found in the "Main Linux Problems on desktop" that was posted a couple of days ago: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

In my opinion, this list is much much better: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

Try using the latest version of software that has a more frequent release cycle than arch. If you have an incompatibility there goes your install. Have yet to see a distro do multi monitor hi dipi that results in readable fonts out of the box.. This gets updated yearly - https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

Surprised no one linked to his similar Linux list: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

It's a clusterfuck of problems: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

Because here in reality Windows is still everywhere and it seems to stay for quite some time. So why not being happy that it's being improved? Also: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

TL;DR is here for anyone wondering: https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

Note that the same author also lists all the problems for Windows 10 (http://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html), so at least he's holding equal ground. Think carefully about the pros and cons, and then choose one (Or maybe both, if you are willing to dual-boot or use a VM)

> What are the major annoyances offered by "the Linux Desktop"? Spend about 5 minutes poking around on the internet with your eyes open and you'll see. If you're too lazy for that, this guy has put together a convenient, but by no means complete, list [0]. > rather than have some particular paradigm forced upon me? You have many paradigms forced upon you, they're just paradigms you happen to be comfortable with so you don't count them. [0] https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop…

See http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.…

Without improving Linux on the desktop[1], implementations like Limux are bound to take this route. [1] http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.…

I know they want to sell windows 10. Sadly Windows 10 sucks. Maybe Microsoft hasn't earned a percentage of every new laptops sale price in perpetuity. GWX control panel to prevent windows 10 installing over your windows 7: http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ O&O ShutUp10 to try and regain privacy in win 10: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 Win 10 reports to Microsoft corp what programs you run, when and for how long by default. Reports other data on what you do with your computer (they call spying telemetry) Nearly impossible to turn off, and they keep turning it back on with updates. And your computer is going to need rebooted often with updates, so hope you weren't working on anything too important that you needed to save before reboot. This man says it better: https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html

Non-lazy or should I say ok-to-deal-with-all-this-shit http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.…

It's still buggy as hell. Ubuntu 15.10 or 14.04 has a lot more annoying quirks than Windows. Lot's of desktop tools are full of memory leaks and crash-prone. KDE is somewhat more stable but needs a usability overhaul. Let's be at least honest. It's mostly usable but a far cry from "better than Windows" Someone more patient than me made a sourced list: http://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.… - I tend to wholly agree. There is something seriously wrong when I remember the KDE 3.x days as the better desktop.