Steve Sailer

isteve.blogspot.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2008

Steve Sailer is a pundit who writes about race, IQ, education test scores, immigration and politics.

What HN saysHN commenters cite his posts on PISA scores and media bias, and some call him a censored thinker, while others dispute his views on group differences.
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    2008 sat scores by race by income
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    Homepage
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    Overall pisa rankings include america
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    John list on virtual nonexistence of
    2 people · first shared 2013
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    Overall pisa rankings include america
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    Why English speakers dominate sprinting events
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    Shifty-looking sorts
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    Flynn Effect has reversed among British teens
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    The Next Frontier of Economic Efficiency
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    Sacrificing smart black kids on altar
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    Pinker takes crack at explaining red v
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    A fourth of july sermon from slate
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    Where did dennis mangans blog go
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_h4xr · 2008-06-05
A few other things: I should start by pointing out that your premise is flawed. I don't hate any ethnic group. I appreciate human diversity. Differences between human groups are real, and they appear to be somewhat genetic. I was actually surprised to see how few race-y books I'd added to the wishlist. There's a sort of illicit thrill to buying something that you can't read in public. By the way, if you're interested in the lynching issue you might give Thomas Sowell a read. He claims that there were more whites than blacks lynched prior to the Civil War. http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594030… Again, I really appreciate that you can keep an open mind about this. When I first got interested in this issue, I didn't know the ethnic background of the guy who was arguing against me -- if I encountered these views from someone who considered his ethnic group smarter than mine, I would not have been nearly so open. If you're open to considering the idea further, I would recommend adding http://isteve.blogspot.com and http://gnxp.com to your reading list for a little while. You'll find, as I did, that they present a view of the world that's just more consistent than the one most Americans are raised with.
fma · 2017-12-27
For what it's worth here's a citation proving counter to the statement...I stole from another commenter. https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-amer… As someone who grew up in a poor immigrant family where the first generation was uneducated and spoke no English...I always find it insulting when low education is attributed to not having money. Not just myself as a counter anecdote, but 10 out of 11 of us second generation have college degrees and doing pretty darn well for ourselves . #11 is still in college.
tosseraccount · 2013-05-30
Salon's take on billionaire lobbying : http://www.salon.com/2013/05/16/billionaires_partner/ "In April, Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg unveiled FWD.us, a quasi-dark-money outfit created to give Silicon Valley a greater political presence in Washington. It has already raised $25 million." Sailor's take : http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/mark-zuckerbergs-save-billionaires-… "I mean, if America's tech billionaires and mere centimillionaires (hectomillionaires?) can't lower programmers' salaries immediately, what possible economic incentive will they have to continue to be rich? It's Econ 101, people!"
temphn · 2011-05-13
Steve Sailer: thought criminal and smartest pundit you've never heard of. http://isteve.blogspot.com La Griffe Du Lion: rarely posts but highly interesting. http://lagriffedulion.f2s.com
occam · 2009-07-03
There's also politically correct censorship going on, amazingly. This morning I submitted this: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/07/medias-bias-toward-english-speaking… . It was dead on arrival, marked [dead] immediately, presumably because that blogger is "divisive" and "racially insensitive". Please read that and judge for yourself if it is interesting.
lexcorvus · 2015-10-01
This is Lewontin's Fallacy. Briefly, there is no contradiction between the existence of clusters and the notion that there is more variation within clusters than between clusters. For example, the variation in height within the categories "male" and "female" is greater than the variation between them (i.e., the difference in mean heights), but this does not negate the validity of the clusters "male" and "female". Indeed, only a small number of traits are needed to determine biological sex to high accuracy—e.g., height, skeletal density, cranial volume, waist-to-hip ratio, etc.—even though in every individual case the variation within traits exceeds the variation between traits [1]. Likewise, simply because the variation within sub-Saharan Africans is greater than the variation between them and other groups doesn't mean the cluster doesn't exist [2]. Indeed, it's easy to tell from a genetic analysis what percentage of a person's ancestry comes from each cluster, including sub-Saharan Africa [3]. The study in the OP indicates that fingerprints are like DNA in this regard. That doesn't mean the study is right, simply that it shouldn't be rejected based on Lewontin's Fallacy. [1]: This is why anthropologists can reliably determine sex based even on fragmentary skeletons (such as "Lucy"). [2]: The edges of the clusters are often fuzzy, but again this doesn't negate their existence. The clusters "red" and "green" are fuzzy, too, but that doesn't make the categories…
thaumasiotes · 2019-09-26
2012, reading: https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/pisa-reading-scores-by-race-americ… 2012, reading/science/math reported separately: https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-amer… 2015, average of reading/science/math: http://www.unz.com/isteve/2015-pisa-mean-scores-in-perspective/ This is not the stuff of an "educational crisis".
nopinsight · 2017-12-27
Your second sentence is clearly not accurate, especially for math: https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-amer…
setra · 2016-02-22
The point is a SINGLE person is making almost as much of a family by not working all year. In addition the United states spends a lot of money on schools: http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/apr/21/jeb-bush/does… Next white students in the united states are doing better than most of Europe. Note that the United states does poorly on the international PISA tests. But if you break it down by race you will notice that the education is working very well for white students: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-ameri…
devalier · 2016-01-21
I gave a link to stereotype threat earlier - http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/10/john-list-on-virtual-nonexistence-o… And keep in mind, even if the studies were replicable, the studies did not even show that stereotype threat shows up in the real world, or that it causes the one standard deviation gap. What the original study showed was that on a non-meaningful test, if the professor suggests a stereotype, the gap in test scores grows bigger than one standard deviation. I think the whole idea of stereotype threat is ridiculous. Just because of a stereotype I'm going to get dozens of questions wrong on the SAT? That just does not make any sense. (And now that we have a black president who was from Harvard Law, wouldn't we see average LSAT scores start to converge, surely there would be less of stereotype against black people in law).
smm2000 · 2014-12-11
Income does not really explain white-black gap in IQ. Blacks from families with >$200k/year income do about as well as whites from families with income <$20k/year. SAT test is not IQ test but it's probably highly correlated. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.h…
crassus · 2014-06-15
Yep! I think you are referring to the SAT data. Fortunately, we have data to test our beliefs: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.h…
tw268 · 2014-02-14
Poor whites and Hispanics aren't nearly as dangerous as poor (young, male) blacks. There is not another comparable group that manages to commit 27% of murders as 1% of the population. That's a huge ratio. Keep in mind, most black males will never kill anyone. But black males commit a plurality of murders in the US. And 1 in 3 will spend some time in jail in his life. 1 in 7 American black men are in jail at any moment. Remember, there are more whites in poverty than total blacks in the United States, and blacks commit 48% of murders. If you're in an urban environment, don't be a progressive hero and try not to avoid young black males. It can be dangerous[1][2] [1] http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/11/yglesias-i-wasnt-victim-of-fake.htm… [2] http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/08/all-we-have-to-fear-is-inference-it…
newnewnew · 2013-12-30
Some social scientists are skeptical of the validity of stereotype threat. John List, in a paper coauthored with Steven Levitt at the University of Chicago, was unable to reproduce it[1]. Some scholars suspect publication bias[2]. Also see another failure to reproduce by the Educational Testing Service[3]. [1] http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/10/john-list-on-virtual-nonexistence-o… [2] http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/stereotype-threat-scientific-scanda… [3] http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/11/high-stakes-stereotype-threat.html
schoper · 2013-07-04
Supply and demand. If I wanted to make labor more expensive, I would do something about the people trying to import cheap labor. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/07/a-fourth-of-july-sermon-from-slate.…
queensnake · 2013-06-28
I know that Glucochrome eg is more powerful than its generic knockoffs. Also, this article http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/red-pill-indian-generic-drug-maker.… talks about how the FDA operates on trust, to the point that foreign generics makers (at least the example given) can and do drive trucks through it.
moldbug · 2012-03-29
Because we all know how pervasive anti-Arab, anti-black, etc, stereotypes are in "pop culture and media." As is well known, Hollywood is full of corporate racist fascist pigs. Which is why we see so many films promoting racism and fascism. I'm sure it's just the same in France. Yes, that was satire. Another possibility - improbable, I know - is that there are actually statistical differences between Frenchmen and Arabs. As a smart guy, you might enjoy this essay on pattern recognition: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/10/war-on-pattern-recognition.html Someone else posted George Akerlof's paper on asymmetric information: http://web.usal.es/~emmam/Docencia/Modelizacion/papers/The%20market%20…
jaredmck · 2011-02-02
On errors in the "abortion lowers crime" study http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/11/im-shocked-shocked-to-see-this.html overview of freakonomics 2 and how it shouldn't have been surprising that the errors were numerous and more obvious than in the original, due to the authors being less familiar with the topics in addition to selection bias http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/archives/2009/10/freako… Detailed discussion of blatant, blatant errors on their article refuting climate change. Makes you wonder if they knew their contrarian position was weak, and still put it in the book for controversy and the headlines it brings. http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/12/superfreakonomics-errors-levitt-…
defen · 2010-10-09
I understand what you're saying, I'm just suggesting that your message might get more traction if you phrase it differently, or consider what his motivations might actually be. The guy has donated $1.5 billion to fund scholarships for minority students in the U.S., $750 million for vaccines in Africa, and many other initiatives that I can't remember right now. The idea that he is a white supremacist is laughable. He's practically Robin Hood - extracting wealth from mostly white, mostly corporate America via illegal means, in order to give it to minorities who are poor. On an interesting side note, Steve Sailer has said something like what you're saying about this topic, although I imagine he's coming at it from a different angle than you: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/05/todays-universal-preschool-conventi…
bokonist · 2009-11-17
Steve Sailer has a reponse up on his blog: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/11/gladwell-strikes-back.html He has another explanation of his point here: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/11/pinker-v-gladwell-on-nfl-quarterbac… Overall, I think Sailer's critique is quite valid: What Berri is doing, in effect, by using his "per-play" measure is comparing quarterbacks taken at the top of the draft (most of whom get a lot of plays in the NFL) to those taken lower in the draft who turned out to be surprisingly better than expected, and thus got a lot of plays. He's essentially leaving out of his analysis all those lower drafted quarterbacks who turned out to be as mediocre as expected and thus didn't get many plays. In other words, his methodology is pre-rigged to produce the conclusion that Malcolm likes.
jpm_sd · 2016-04-05
Steven Pinker agrees with you: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/10/pinker-takes-crack-at-explaining-re… But while these theories help explain why the seemingly diverse convictions within the right-wing and left-wing mind-sets hang together, they don’t explain why they are tied to geography. The historian David Hackett Fischer traces the divide back to the British settlers of colonial America. The North was largely settled by English farmers, the inland South by Scots-Irish herders. Anthropologists have long noted that societies that herd livestock in rugged terrain tend to develop a “culture of honor.” Since their wealth has feet and can be stolen in an eye blink, they are forced to deter rustlers by cultivating a hair-trigger for violent retaliation against any trespass or insult that probes their resolve. Farmers can afford to be less belligerent because it is harder to steal their land out from under them, particularly in territories within the reach of law enforcement. As the settlers moved westward, they took their respective cultures with them. The psychologist Richard Nisbett has shown that Southerners today continue to manifest a culture of honor which legitimizes violent retaliation. ... Admittedly, it’s hard to believe that today’s Southerners and Westerners carry a cultural memory of sheepherding ancestors. But it may not be the herding profession itself that nurtures a culture of honor so much as living in anarchy.
opticksversi · 2009-01-08
Kenya was in Africa last I checked. American blacks tend to be (mainly; averaging 83%) Bantu, whereas Barack Obama is (half) Nilote. http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aisteve.blogspot.com+nilotic http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/01/east-africas-tall-vs-average-war.ht… The tall black Nilotics generally see themselves as more intelligent than the shorter brown Bantus. Obama's Luo relatives in Kenya told him: "The Luo are intelligent but lazy." The Bantus tend to fear that they will be outsmarted by the Nilotics if they give them a fair shake, so they often treat the tall people like the Jews tend to be treated in Eastern Europe. The dividing lines between the Nilotics and Bantus are not sharp. There's been lots of interbreeding. (This is Africa, after all.) But, they still exist. The situation is rather like that in Latin American, where after five centuries of interbreeding, the economic elites are still pretty white-looking, and the indigenous masses occasionally organize under demagogues like Hugo Chavez to fight back.
helveticaman · 2008-07-29
The genetic basis is there. First, I suspect the Flynn effect is simply natural selection in modern society; after all, if environment changes in the Galapagos can change the shape of birds beaks in a few generations, industrialization should make people better at desk jobs. And according to Gregory Clark, this has happened to Anglo-Saxons between the 1300s and the 1800s. [1] The same appears to have happened to Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians.[2] Keep in mind they, too, were once very disadvantaged in American society, but there's no keeping them down; both groups are richer than whites now, and had to contend with heavy discrimination on their way to riches. In fact, because of the belief all races should be equally represented, Asian students are heavily penalized in college admissions to make room for African Americans and Hispanics. [3] Finally, I wouldn't go so far as saying emigration eliminates gaps; emigrants aren't necessarily representative of a group, as they're the ones who are ambitious or desperate enough to want to leave. Mexican immigrants in the United States do not form an accurate cross-section of Mexican culture. Nigerian immigrants in United States have the highest rate of PhDs and Master degrees per capita [4], but that has a lot to do with immigration policies. It's a lot easier to get into the States with a Masters or a PhD, so there's selection at…
lexlibra · 2008-07-25
Here's an explanation for why foot speed and intelligence are inversely correlated: "Upper body strength is relatively equally distributed between the races, but footspeed most definitely is not. So, tailbacks, wide receivers, and defensive players have a need for speed, so they are disproportionately black. I haven't checked recently, but in most recent years since Jason Sehorn's retirement, none of the 64 NFL starting cornerbacks at the start of the season were white, and none of the 32 starting tailbacks were white. (For some reason, this never gets as much publicity as the perceived lack of black quarterbacks.)" "As we all know, there is about a 15 point difference IQ gap between whites and blacks, so positions that are black dominated tend to have lower average IQs than positions that are more integrated (or that are white monopolized, such as placekicker and punter)." ( read the whole thing http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/07/graphical-data-analyst-ben-fry-take… ) This seems like a much more plausible explanation of the facts than the "closer to the ball" theory. Are we really that scared of "things you can't say" not to point out something that is obvious to anybody who watches football?

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