Brad Templeton

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Brad Templeton, a self-driving car expert and technology commentator, writes about robocars, regulation, accidents, and other tech topics.

What HN saysCommenters cite him as an expert on self-driving cars, quoting his critiques of regulation and his analysis of the Uber fatality and road wear.
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    On Google's self-driving car acident rates
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    It certainly looks bad for Uber
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    The odds of knowing your cousins: 23andme Part 1
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    Announcing delivery robots from Starship Technologies
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    Navia's INDUCT officially for sale for $250,000
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    Critique of NHTSA's newly released regulations
    2 people · 1 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
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    Robotaxi economics
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    Tricking lidars and robocars
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    Live Google transit directions change the value of transit
    1 people · 106 points · first shared 2014 · 36 comments on HN

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mtgx · 2019-07-27
Self-driving car security is going to need a lot more than just following the latest buzzword in the security community and thinking that's enough. But if the Cruise team is keen on buzzwords that they can then brag to the media about then maybe they should start using the "disconnected self-driving car" buzzword instead, and then implement about a dozen more of Brad Templeton's security recommendations for self-driving cars: https://ideas.4brad.com/disconnected-car-right-security-plan-robocars Then I might just start believing that GM (or any other self-driving) cars may end up with reasonable but still not bulletproof security in about a decade.
evrydayhustling · 2018-06-18
Great points regarding aligning precision/recall of AI systems with actual human supervision capabilities. One quibble: I hate seeing articles uncritically repeat Uber's line that a human driver could not have reacted in the same scenario. The dashboard cam footage they released does not accurately represent either human or car perceptual capabilities [1], and folks recreating the scene have shown that it doesn't even look like a good (or unaltered) example of what a dashcam should have perceived [2]. [1] https://ideas.4brad.com/it-certainly-looks-bad-uber [2] https://dgit.com/residents-recreate-crash-uber-car-case-56161/
kragen · 2016-09-20
Brad Templeton, who's been working on self-driving cars for a few years now, analyzed this in http://ideas.4brad.com/critique-nhtsas-newly-released-recommendations-… He says, "Broadly, this is very much the wrong direction... the progress of robocar development in the USA may be seriously negatively affected." This is a big deal.
dm2 · 2015-05-21
Here is some concept art from Zoox, I'm not sure if they have pivoted from this idea or not though. http://ideas.4brad.com/world-goes-gaga-cool-concept-prototypes I'm glad autonomous and electric vehicles are quickly becoming a thing, this will be great to have.
WhompingWindows · 2018-06-21
See the following analysis by Brad Templeton, a SDC expert: Road wear There is strong potential to reduce the damage to roads (and thus the cost of maintaining them, which is immense and seriously in arrears) thanks to the robotruck. That's because heavy trucks and big buses cause almost all the road wear today. A surprising rule of thumb is that road damage goes up with the 4th power of the weight per axle. As such an 80,000lb truck with 34,000lb on two sets of 2 axles and 6,000lb on the front axle does around 2,000 times the road damage of a typical car! An interesting solution is now possible. With fully self-driving trucks (or platoons with nobody in the rear vehicle) you can have two half-weight trucks, which would do 1/8th the damage. 4 1/4 weight trucks would do roughly 1/16th the damage. This is a bit more expensive in fuel and truck wear, though you can get back some of it with platooning. The platoon can space out further on bridges to avoid stressing them. https://ideas.4brad.com/otto-and-self-driving-trucks-what-do-they-mean
michaelkeenan · 2009-04-19
Robot cars. Car accidents cost over a million lives worldwide every year - 45,000 in the USA - and injure about 40 times that number. They are the leading cause of death for people aged 18-34. In the USA, the total cost of accidents is about $230 billion (1.7% of American GDP according to my calculations). Robot cars will reduce car accidents, probably by a lot (human errors make up 93% of the causes of car accidents; 80% of accidents are due to human inattention). They'll make parking vastly more efficient (the car can drop you off and go and park in some optimal place). 50 billion person-hours are spent driving every year. In productive hours, that's worth a trillion dollars. Even if the hours aren't productive (watching TV or whatever), it's still worth a lot. Congestion would be reduced because robot cars don't need the follow space between cars that human reflexes require. It's like quadrupling the capacity of existing roads for free. Since the crash rate might be so low, cars might be ultralight rather than made of armor, so they'll use less energy and less metal. I first became excited about robot cars from reading this essay: http://ideas.4brad.com/robocars-are-future
dredmorbius · 2022-01-01
Given the reference "I wrote a satire of issues around this some years ago" for a piece posted in 2005, I suspect the 2010 / 2011 year is reasonably accurate. https://ideas.4brad.com/node/221 https://www.templetons.com/brad/dns/sell-english.html
Yeah, nope. 'smart' roads mean wasting billions on sensors that would become outdated soon after being installed and banning non-'smart' users is political suicide impossible even in China. Also, do animals, pedestrians and cyclists need to wear a transponder to avoid getting squashed like a bug? https://ideas.4brad.com/forget-smart-cities-you-need-make-your-infrast…
Symmetry · 2019-01-31
Why do you believe that? Which is to say, is this something you've worked out with numbers or is it a reflexive intuitive judgement? Because if it's the later you should recognize that your intuition is based on prices that include the labor of the person driving you which won't be included in a self driving car. Brad Templeton did some math and thinks that self driving cars will be cheaper on a per-mile basis if you sometimes take smaller cars when you need to. https://ideas.4brad.com/robotaxi-economics
gwern · 2018-08-01
People hate using real buses because they are so expensive in all the non-financial ways. Robot buses won't be much different: https://ideas.4brad.com/sharing-ride-less-sharing-better-transit-more-…
Fricken · 2017-05-12
Many analysts have crunched the numbers, and come up with similar results, but Brad Templeton has been thinking and writing about Robotaxis longer than anyone else, so I'll link to his numbers: http://ideas.4brad.com/robotaxi-economics
andreareina · 2017-01-24
According to [1] mutual interference would be unlikely because the beam and sensor are tightly-focused, and there's a very short time window in which a spurious beam would affect the measurement. [2] mentions that radar units modulate the waveform to identify the one it sent out, I imagine the same thing could be done for lidar if interference becomes a problem. [1] http://ideas.4brad.com/tricking-lidars-and-robocars [2] http://www.aiqus.com/forum/questions/22373/using-multiple-lidars-at-th…
bobsil1 · 2016-07-01
Brad Templeton argues a perpendicular truck would look stationary to radar and be filtered out, so use LIDAR. http://ideas.4brad.com/man-dies-while-driven-tesla-autopilot
mblakele · 2015-03-20
I thought http://ideas.4brad.com/uber-price-la-approaches-robocar-cheap was interesting in that light. In short: as the cost of a ride approaches the cost of operating a privately-owned vehicle, it approximates owning a driverless car.
maxerickson · 2014-06-02
A human uses less energy going a mile on foot than a car does. So for one definition of efficient, the human wins. They should still win even if they are carrying a modest load. I guess I would have used effective where you said efficient. (If you add in the energy used by modern agriculture to produce the food the human ate, the car probably wins: http://ideas.4brad.com/holy-cow-walking-consumes-more-gasoline-driving…
hershel · 2014-03-03
Basic slow models are availble now , so that's a good sign: http://ideas.4brad.com/navias-induct-officially-sale-250-000
pella · 2010-03-06
other “Relative Finder" - review: "The odds of knowing your cousins: 23andme Part 1" http://ideas.4brad.com/odds-knowing-your-cousins-23andme-part-1
jeremyw · 2010-03-02
Decentralizing key management is surely one of the key positions of dnscurve. In the vein of Templeton's expository on friction-free crypto & TLS. http://ideas.4brad.com/overengineering-and-non-deployment-ssl-tls Thanks for reposting the OpenDNS news. Had missed it.
wmf · 2009-07-05
Related discussion from Brad Templeton about why crypto isn't widely used: http://ideas.4brad.com/overengineering-and-non-deployment-ssl-tls
WalterSear · 2018-09-13
"The idea that sharing rides is good has become almost axiomatic in transportation discussions. At conferences I have seen people declare that robocars are pointless if they are not shared -- ie. people who are not travelling together ride together in them. The positive of sharing is so axiomatic that public transit is seen almost as a good in and of itself, rather than a means towards real goals like energy efficiency, low cost, and higher road utilization. It has has attained this status as revealed truth because it is indeed roughly true -- more people together in a vehicle done right will indeed use less energy per person and less road space. But the "done right" is very important as it is commonly done quite wrong. As I have studied robocars, this has led me to the discovery that some of our old assumptions are wrong. In particular, more sharing is not always good, and the styles of sharing (including the vehicle sizes) of current public transportation are almost certainly not the optimum sizes, and that smaller vehicles are likely more optimal once we eliminate the need for drivers and move to a highly communicating world. I believe there are strong arguments that while shared travel is beneficial, we actually have too much of it in most transit systems, and not enough in private cars. That the 'shared' future is one of van-sized group vehicles with a mixed fleet of more personal cars with 1-4…

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