Going Medieval
going-medieval.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2019
A medievalist writes about myths of the Middle Ages, such as bathing, the Dark Ages, cats, and life expectancy.
What HN saysHN commenters link it to correct common beliefs about medieval life, such as bathing habits and cats, and for the history of the term "doctor".
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- 1There’s no such thing as the ‘Dark Ages’, but OK (2017)4 people · 7 points · first shared 2019 · 1 comments on HN
- 2I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)3 people · 662 points · first shared 2019 · 340 comments on HN
- 3On Successor States and Websites3 people · 4 points · first shared 2023 · discussion on HN
- 4On Medieval Cats2 people · 10 points · first shared 2023 · discussion on HN
- 5On the myth of medival short life expectancy, and Covid complacency1 people · 4 points · first shared 2021 · discussion on HN
- 6That’s not what sodomy is, but OK1 people · 4 points · first shared 2021 · discussion on HN
- 7AI and the Golem1 people · 3 points · first shared 2025 · discussion on HN
- 8On fake medieval devices – both torture and sexual1 people · 3 points · first shared 2024 · discussion on HN
- 9On Sex, Logic, and Being the Subject1 people · 2 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 10On Body Count – Going Medieval1 people · 2 points · first shared 2024 · discussion on HN
- 11On colonialism, imperialism, and ignoring medieval history1 people · 2 points · first shared 2019 · discussion on HN
- 12On women's anatomy and the power of paying attention1 people · 1 points · first shared 2024 · discussion on HN
- 13On sermons and the vernacular1 people · first shared 2023
- 14Doctor does actually mean someone with a phd sorry1 people · first shared 2023
- 15Considering bad motherfuckers hildegard of bingen and janelle monae1 people · first shared 2023
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throw0101b · 2023-12-17
A recent weblog post going over the history of this starting back in ~1200:
> However, the term “doctor” wasn’t usually used to speak about those who subsequently went on to work with patients in the field of medicine. Why? Well, the term “doctor” comes from the Latin verb “docere” meaning to teach. So, if you were called a medical doctor it meant that you were teaching at Salerno, not that you were out in the field actually doing the stuff you were trained to do.
> The people who got trained at Salerno, took their degree, and went out into the world to practice medicine needed a title which made it clear that they were not university professors, but university trained, so that people knew what their job was. And they had one – they were called physicians.
[…]
> In English the term “doctor” didn’t start being used to address people with medical degrees until the seventeenth century, and it began more particularly in Scotland. Funnily, the use of the term was meant to confirm respect to the doctor confirming that, yes, they were very smart indeed. Yes, that’s right – they were as smart as all the people with PhDs, bless them.[8] The medical people were trying to catch up with the humanities people because everyone knew that it’s really hard to get a PhD and it confers authority. This took off because everyone post-enlightenment absolutely loves to crank themselves about how important Science is, or whatever. The fact remains however, that it is a relatively new…
samatman · 2024-03-29
The last paragraph is one of those commonly-believed things which did not, in fact, happen. https://going-medieval.com/2023/05/16/on-cats/
clarionbell · 2023-09-22
Rites were in latin yes. But sermons were generally in vernacular. Otherwise there would be little engagement between priest and his parish during the mass.
The somewhat, odd, obsession of some Old-Catholic sects with latin is notable but not entirely orthodox.
Some info on the subject: https://going-medieval.com/2020/09/04/on-sermons-and-the-vernacular/
NoZebra120vClip · 2023-02-08
Not explicitly mentioned in the article, but alluded by the sexually-suggestive title, is the fact that St. Hildegard is not solely recognised by the Catholic Church for her extraordinary sanctity and heroic virtues, she is also lionized and sexualized by the LGBT community as a historical Queer Icon, including favorable modern comparisons to the likes of Janelle Monáe.
https://queersaints.wordpress.com/3-saints-and-sinners-in-the-medieval…
https://going-medieval.com/2018/06/05/considering-bad-motherfuckers-hi…
https://nihilobstat.info/2020/06/19/the-headache-of-st-hildegard-of-bi…
andsoitis · 2022-08-06
In fact, maybe they bathed TOO much: https://going-medieval.com/2019/08/02/i-assure-you-medieval-people-bat…
But they also gave us soap, there's that.
kennywinker · 2019-08-25
The dark ages simply refers to the loss of texts. There are few surviving texts from that period, so it is “dark”. Later the term was re-branded to mean “bad time when no new science was done” but that’s a viewpoint that doesn’t fit the facts.
Source (a very enjoyable read at that!): https://going-medieval.com/2017/05/26/theres-no-such-thing-as-the-dark…
the_af · 2019-08-15
The article I quoted (by someone who calls herself a doctor and a medieval historian, but I have no way of checking her credentials) contradicts yours: https://going-medieval.com/2017/05/26/theres-no-such-thing-as-the-dark…
Of course, I don't claim to be an expert myself and can't readily judge which of the two articles is more accurate.