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DeviceAtlas, a device detection vendor, publishes mobile market data on Android and iOS share, popular phones, and OS versions by country.
What HN saysHN commenters cite its market share figures, including iOS share by US state, in arguments about Apple and Android adoption.
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ronancremin · 2014-11-23
The trick is not to do it yourself, this is a complex enough problem that it's worth leaving to others to do if it really matters to you.
https://github.com/OpenDDRdotORG/OpenDDR-Resources
http://deviceatlas.com
x3blah · 2020-05-08
"This also applies to other things, like browser-fingerprinting, or how Google will now try to identify people using machine learning without actually using cookies."
Even if only a User-Agent string is sent from a "browser" that has no Javascript engine and does no CSS processing or auto-loading of any resources, the online ad services folks, not to mention the "web security" folks, will still try to create a "fingerprint".
There are companies whose entire business is dependent on a demand for lists/databases of user agent strings. For example,
https://deviceatlas.com/
https://51degrees.com/
https://www.scientiamobile.com/
Fingerprinting based on user agent seems like a rather easy problem to solve. Aside from not sending the header or every user sending the same one, one idea is to keep changing the string.
The following is from a file called "mosaic-spoof-agents" and dates back to at least 1996.
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# Agent Spoofing -- Who will you be today?
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# "I don't think [t]he[y]'ll be too keen" -- Originally from Monty Python, run
# into the ground by Tommy Reilly
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# NOTE! There is a hard limit of 50 agents! Mosaic will not read anymore!
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# This file should be located in your HOME directory under the filename:
# .mosaic-spoof-agents
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# This file consists of lines that begin with a # (comment), a - (a seperator
# for the sub-menu off options), a + (this is special...it denotes that the
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koube · 2023-01-20
This could be a regional experience. Some states have 70% apple market share, with Rhode Island having 80%[0]. The difference could be even greater for smaller regions within a state.
[0]: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/mobile-os-popularity-by-us-state
MagnumOpus · 2020-06-04
> brilliant if your family and friends are all on iPhones, which I'm pretty sure is fairly common in most Western countries
iOS market share is 60% in the US which is the highest worldwide, and only above 50% in a handful of other countries (UK, Japan, Oz, Canada)[0]. If you have any friends who are not rich, or are European or South American, there's a good chance they won't iMessage you but try to add you on WhatsApp.
[0]https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
jedimastert · 2019-12-16
YouTube might be the closest for user generated streaming and video hosting, but Twitch and Vimeo still exist and are happily chugging along. Maps and Search, not really. I'm perfectly happy to use DDG for both, and I'm not made to suffer for it.
As a litmus test I might say that "overly dominant" means that a slightly-above-average member of the audience couldn't name another option, and I don't really think any of these would hold up.
> Also Android, going by market share rather than worth.
Android vs iOS are actually surprisingly close, with iOS winning in the US <https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us> (admittedly this is measured through UA sniffing and fingerprinting on websites, but I think the point stands)
yoz-y · 2019-07-01
According to some stats I have found[1][2] it does not seems like there is any exodus, if anything it seems that iOS gains market share every December (gifts?) and then loses a bit over the year, but the number has been stable since forever.
There are definitely less iPhones in Europe than in US, but that is more of a reflection of the global trend. iPhone was dominant in US because for a long time they had a carrier subsidy system that made it not worth it to buy a phone on a plan for less than $450 (because you paid the same price no matter the price of the phone). Back at that time that's what an iPhone cost.
In Europe the subsidies worked differently so the price was a more important factor.
[1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/461900/android-vs-ios-market-share…
[2]: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#germany
baumy · 2019-10-25
I don't find it remotely hard to believe, and I don't think this is a good example. US consumers have more disposable income and are more aggressively advertised to than the rest of the world. Apple historically has done an amazing job of advertising their products as the top of the line, premium option. It's certainly the most expensive (usually). If Apple was based in Korea along with Samsung, I doubt they'd suffer much if any loss to their market share in America.
Are you American? I suspect either you're not, or we live in very different parts of the country. I do believe that most Americans would say that they prefer American made over otherwise, but I don't believe more than a small subset actually stick to that when making purchasing decisions unless American made vs Non-American made is the only difference between two choices, which is rare.
Edit: It's late and I'm tired so perhaps I'm missing something, but looking at this [1], I'm not really seeing any data to back up the statement that America "overwhelmingly favour[s] Apple compared to the rest of the world." UK, Canada, Norway, Ireland, Denmark are all at similar levels of iOS adoption compared to the US, and Japan is far higher. At a glance, I'd guess that iOS adoption is pretty correlated with a country's economy. The least popular places for iOS are Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Ukraine, South Africa.
[1] https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
lawgimenez · 2024-05-14
Philippines, I am not sure how accurate the link is below but it is almost certainly possible people are moslty on older devices.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/mobile-os-versions-by-country#ph
chomp · 2022-01-25
We can't tell because Apple is a little opaque with the devices that are in the wild, and Pixels are such a small slice of the entire Android population. What we have are only third party accounts of the iPhone population, e.g. https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-iphones
According to that (maybe selection-biased) source, it looks like the most popular iPhone is the one released the same year the first Pixel was released. We can't conclude anything about which is used longer, but Android app updates are required to target API level 30 I think for Android, which is no longer supported on the first Pixel, so there's probably a pressure that urges users off of that phone. I'd be surprised if percentage-wise, a larger share of Pixel users are on the original Pixel than iPhone users on iPhone 7.
piaste · 2022-01-07
Based on this [0] chart, iPhones seem to be more popular in the Anglosphere and a handful of other countries like Belgium, Japan and Saudi Arabia.
Rest of the world favours Android.
[0] https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
heavyset_go · 2021-04-30
Colloquial definitions of monopoly do not matter when it comes to antitrust laws[1]:
> Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power.
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> Apple phones make up only 13% of the phone market.
iOS has 60% of the market in the US[2].
[1] https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-l…
[2] https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
bryanrasmussen · 2021-02-02
I was going to say because it's been deprecated but then I saw this https://deviceatlas.com/blog/postponed-googles-attempt-deprecate-and-f…
sct202 · 2020-10-07
We can infer some things about DDG based published data on crawler and bot activity. DDG's index is pretty comparable to both Google and Bing, but their bot is no where to be found in activity stats. So it's pretty reasonable to think that at minimum their index is primarily derived from 3rd parties.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-active-bots-and-crawlers-web
https://www.imperva.com/blog/most-active-good-bots/
In my opinion, I don't think it should matter too much that they might not be crawling for their own index as long as they're reordering the results. But I do think there is some stigma where metasearch engines aren't looked at with as much prestige.
pjmlp · 2020-09-29
It is called real world, there are plenty of countries with zero Apple devices, and if they happen to be available, only a couple of government level people have them, completely irrelevant for the companies selling their goods to the local population, the market that they actually get their money from.
So if you have a formula how the e.g. train service gets money from a selling tickets app for iOS in a country with zero iPhone presence, you have our attention.
https://deviceatlas.com/sites/deviceatlas.com/files/images/map-world-o…
MayeulC · 2020-09-08
Well, I hear Apple is huge in the US.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us
wheels · 2020-09-01
> They have a lock on mobile devices for the western world.
They don't though. There are only a couple countries where they're more popular than Android, and only barely there. There's no country where they have 60% market share.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
macintux · 2020-08-07
Most recent data I’ve found, dating from last fall, indicates the vast majority fall into that category. Makes sense, the days of exponential growth are over.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-iphones
oliveshell · 2019-09-27
The vast majority of iPhones currently in use are “older models“ [1].
Only A12 and A13 devices are unaffected (XS/XR, 11).
[1]: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-iphones
jmisavage · 2019-08-02
This article is US specific. The iPhone has a higher market share in the US than just about anywhere else.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us
tooltalk · 2019-07-12
Yep, they are still some of the most popular selling smartphones in many markets (at least according to DeviceAtlas):
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/most-popular-smartphones
scarface74 · 2019-02-11
Not according to these statistics in the US.
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
tedivm · 2019-01-31
Worldwide, sure, but look at developed countries where most of the profit comes from. In the US in 2018 63% were iPhones and 36% were Android[1]. Android usage is even going down in some places, such as Canada where it went from 46% to 39% between 2017 and 2018.
[1] https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#us
buboard · 2018-10-16
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/5-facts-about-mobile-market-in-ireland
That said the rest of Europe is definitely android
ralfd · 2016-11-07
This is from last year, so could have changed, but Q4 2015 web traffic was 66% iOS vs 34% Android in Japan:
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015
diziet · 2016-11-07
This data looks bad and not in line with other reports:
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015
http://techjapan.tumblr.com/post/42142826707/why-iphone-market-share-i…
According to our internal data which tallies tens of millions of app store installs on Android vs iOS, iOS both gets more downloads & revenue than Android in Japan.
devnexen · 2016-09-20
Hi all,
I am working for DeviceAtlas, the mobile detection solution and know some users of the C enterprise API available here https://deviceatlas.com/deviceatlas-haproxy-module were wondering how to integrate it inside golang. Can be taken as it is or at least as an inspiration as I m not necessarily a very skilled go developer but if it can help a little, why not !
piker · 2019-08-17
A false dichotomy. One third option: there are network effects at play in America that aren't at play in Europe. Consider the relative market shares of the iPhone. US: ~58%, e.g., Spain: 25%. [1] Thus, when one boots an iPhone in the US, roughly 60% of one's friends already have this functionality. And that market share likely skews towards self-selecting groups such as teenagers. Also note that sending an SMS doesn't have as significant of a historical drawback in the US as it does in Europe. There may be some limitations, but, again, given the market share, it's unlikely one is going to reach one's SMS limit texting grandma. Thus, because US people can be more accommodating in terms of messaging with other phones without a third-party app, it's a perceptively useless install in America. Pretty much apps like WhatsApp are only used by US people with Android devices for communicating outside of the US. Otherwise, it's unlikely a US person needs to do anything other than send an SMS, and, hence, the green bubble.
[1] https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share