Cybernetic Zoo
cyberneticzoo.com · Group blog · on HN since 2011
A historical archive of robots, cybernetic animals, exoskeletons and early automata, with dated entries and photos of each machine.
What HN saysHN commenters link it for detail on early robots like the Beetle manipulator, the Logo turtle and undersea vehicles, often as a source with more pictures.
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- 11969 the logo turtle seymour papert marvin minsky et al american3 people · first shared 2015
- 2Cybernetic Zoo2 people · 4 points · first shared 2020 · discussion on HN
- 31951 – SNARC Maze Solver – Minsky / Edmonds [2009]2 people · 2 points · first shared 2016 · discussion on HN
- 41958 62 beetle mobile manipulator g e corp american2 people · first shared 2021
- 51975 arok ben skora american2 people · first shared 2019
- 61940 project pigeon 1948 project orcon b f skinner american2 people · first shared 2016
- 7Hardiman I Exoskeleton1 people · 171 points · first shared 2016 · 39 comments on HN
- 8Klatu the Household Robot (1977)1 people · 16 points · first shared 2019 · 8 comments on HN
- 9HECK and Robot Floor Cleaner (1957)1 people · 6 points · first shared 2018 · 1 comments on HN
- 10Pseudo Automata, Fakes and Robot Costumes1 people · 4 points · first shared 2014 · discussion on HN
- 11Pigeon-guided missiles1 people · 3 points · first shared 2012 · discussion on HN
- 121952 – “Theseus” Maze-Solving Mouse – Claude Shannon1 people · 2 points · first shared 2017 · discussion on HN
- 13The Electric Vampire (1910)1 people · 1 points · first shared 2026 · discussion on HN
- 141898 – Telautomaton – Nikola Tesla1 people · 1 points · first shared 2011 · discussion on HN
- 15“Tati”, the Cybernetic Dog from the 50s (2011)1 people · 1 points · first shared 2021 · discussion on HN
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ljf · 2023-03-04
If you enjoyed this - check out this timeline of undersea 'vehicles' some great images and detail about each one. https://cyberneticzoo.com/early-underwater-manipulators-and-robots/
cookiengineer · 2021-08-23
If you want to know more about the Beetle prototype, this website [1] has lots more pictures and details about it than OP's article.
Amazing piece of engineering, considering it was the late 50s when it was engineered.
[1] http://cyberneticzoo.com/teleoperators/1958-62-beetle-mobile-manipulat…
Someone · 2015-10-04
Autonomous vehicle races are at least 25 years older, but of course, the courses where way, way simpler then: http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/gadgets/the-amazing-micr…
The linked article at http://cyberneticzoo.com/tag/amazing-micromouse-maze-contest/ shows why, sometimes, the dumb solution is better than the smarter one:
"For a mouse to be truly capable of learning a maze and making smart decisions about solving the maze, physical control of the mouse must be both accurate and repeatible. No attempt was made by us to implement our learning algorithms for our micromice until our control software was good enough to accept the learning algorithms."
SixSigma · 2015-06-30
Ah, I bet that explains it. People follow the subject and post the things they find.
I wonder how long it will be before the turtle pokes its head out?
http://cyberneticzoo.com/cyberneticanimals/1969-the-logo-turtle-seymou…
I was waxing lyrical at the Plan9 conference to Richard who I have known for a few years about how amazing the turtle and Logo is/was for classrooms because it could engage with a wider range of children than trying to teach them programming because it stimulated those maybe interested in programming, art, robotics, languages and maths with teamwork and communication skills and even just watching things happening. Imagine my pleasure when he said "I'm glad you appreciate it" and went on to tell me the story of developing it when I had no idea!
johnohara · 2025-10-29
I tried to search for what the acronym "Neo" is based on but no luck. Maybe it's a cinematic reference that got assigned in development and stuck. I don't know.
But it did remind me of my friend Ben Skora and his robot AROK. Fabricated in his garage using sheet metal (Ben rebuilt cars), power window motors, dryer vent pipe for arms, a Richard Nixon halloween mask inside a motorcycle helmet, two car batteries and wheels as shoes, bicycle brake clamps covered with rubber gloves as hands, a front panel of lights that blinked, and miles of wiring that never worked 100%.
The whole system was analog. Tones from two princess phone keypads controlled the motors and he could talk and listen remotely (20 ft away) using a hacked set of walkie-talkies. Don't ask me how.
AROK was built in ~1971-1973 and now resides inside a glass case at the Moraine Valley Community College Technology Building. [1]
He built AROK to help around the house, do chores, walk the dog, etc.
[0] https://cyberneticzoo.com/robots/1975-arok-ben-skora-american/
[1] https://www.morainevalley.edu/news-story/arok-the-robot-rolls-into-mor…
Animats · 2020-09-07
It was new in that it was computer controlled. General Electric had demonstrated a 4-legged walking truck in 1965.[1] Arms and legs were slaved to the operator's arms and legs. It was very hard to drive. Trying to do that with computer control in 1985 was worth trying.
Building the prototype at full scale, not so much. If they'd gone through a few iterations starting with a dog sized version, it might have worked out better. But there was a political problem. DARPA funded a pony-sized legged walker in the late 1960s[2], and it was publicly shamed as a waste of taxpayer money by Sen. Proxmire. So DARPA went for one big enough to carry a real load.
Early thinking about legged locomotion was all about gait and foot placement. It turns out that balance dominates foot placement, and slip control dominates balance once you get off the flat.
Today, most of the problems have been solved, and there's still no market. Which is disappointing.
[1] https://youtu.be/coNO9FpDb6E
[2] http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-machines/1968-phony-pony-frank-mcghee…
robomartin · 2013-10-05
In a different thread there was an argument about the relative futility of some of today's robotics experiments [0]. As it is sometimes typical on HN, the poster with a message outside the "go team" cargo-cult mentality wasn't very welcome. I happen to think he had a very interesting point. And that point translates well into this thread.
Why don't we see practical applications of all of these robotics experiments? The answer is very simple really: Most of them are relatively pointless and add very little to the robotics knowledge-base that will be needed to really move robotics forward into real-world applied robots.
Think of something like robotics vacuum cleaners. Nothing whatsoever innovative about any of them. It's a wheeled platform that has been in use in hobby and research robotics since, well, forever. The '70's and '80's were full of robots with this basic platform. What changed? Electronics got better, batteries smaller, microprocessors more capable, manufacturing more efficient. What was retained and reused from prior research? Probably not much.
I started in college with the goal of becoming a robotics engineer. An EE with specialization in robotics. It didn't take long for me to realize that the field wasn't as interesting and exciting as I made it out to be in my mind. The R2D2's and C3-PO's were nowhere to be found and were easily decades away from becoming reality. If I wanted to be in robotics I would end-up making industrial manipulators…
gumby · 2024-06-18
Shades of the 1968 Minsky tentacle arm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuXQPdd0hjI
It had 12 joints, though each had a hydraulic actuator rather than a tendon mechanism (i.e. not three muscles lke this model). But as an undergraduate he had fiddled with the actuation of arthropod joints and claws: https://cyberneticzoo.com/underwater-robotics/1968-minsky-bennett-arm-…
mysterydip · 2023-11-06
I remember many years ago a school teacher let me borrow a book where someone made a robot out of a KIM-1: https://cyberneticzoo.com/cyberneticanimals/1976-mike-microtron-tod-lo…
adolph · 2023-06-28
It is kinda hard to find more information about the arm. The below site has some Trieste pictures [0] and how the same model of arm was used at Los Alamos [1] for working with radioactive material.
0. https://cyberneticzoo.com/underwater-robotics/1961-trieste-submersible…
1. https://cyberneticzoo.com/teleoperators/1960-minotaur-remote-manipulat…
robotresearcher · 2023-04-14
Don't get distracted by the specific task. The task is analogous to Hinton's neural networks doing handwritten digit recognition. It's a placeholder task while the tech evolves. Not too easy, not too hard. Not crazy, has some value, but not claiming to be a killer app. The robot is doing mobile manipulation in a semi-structured environment that was not designed for the robot: this has been in the 'tough' category for a long time.
It's also a clear nod to Connell's Herbert, from nearly 40 years ago. A seminal project in AI/robotics history.
https://cyberneticzoo.com/cyberneticanimals/1986c-herbert-the-collecti…
jazzyjackson · 2022-06-09
thanks very much for that
the uploaders' blog entry linked in the description also has more details:
http://cyberneticzoo.com/not-quite-robots/1911-20-chess-playing-machin…
Etheryte · 2022-03-31
A curious insight into the visions of future at the time. The robot [0] has curious resemblance to Daleks [1] of Doctor Who fame, with Daleks making their first on-screen appearance only a year or two after the initial release of this robot. Life imitates art imitates life.
[0] http://cyberneticzoo.com/cyberneticanimals/1962-5-hopkins-beast-autono…
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek
mcguire · 2021-08-24
Not personally, no. How many degrees of freedom do they need?
http://cyberneticzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tele-manipulator-x…
kevin_thibedeau · 2021-08-23
Here's a more detailed article transcribed from Popular Science:
http://cyberneticzoo.com/teleoperators/1958-62-beetle-mobile-manipulat…
It mentions the all important ash tray and cigarette lighter just before discussing the emergency oxygen system.
wiml · 2021-05-05
You might be interested in the SNARC [1], a very early neural network machine. Each neuron was a few vacuum tubes, weights were stored in potentiometers, and training was done through a system of belts and electromechanical clutches to adjust potentiometers based on its response to training data.
[1] http://cyberneticzoo.com/mazesolvers/1951-maze-solver-minsky-edmonds-a…
dang · 2020-09-07
Ivan Sutherland worked on something like this. Seems related?
http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-machines/1983-six-legged-hydraulic-wa…
JKCalhoun · 2019-12-31
Bladerunner aside, I always wanted to live in Syd Mead's future. Sunsets and an orgy of chrome. Well, orgies anyway. ;-)
Before Tron and Bladerunner I had come across his stuff in books and magazines and was blown away. This walking cargo machine from 1969: http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-machines/1970-walking-cargo-vehicle-s…
leoc · 2019-10-24
Rat-guided cars? B.F. Skinner will give you a small food reward if you hold his beer. http://cyberneticzoo.com/bionics/1940-project-pigeon-1948-project-orco…
Actually, come to think of it Project Pigeon/Orcon is also of philosophical importance: it joins Russell's chickens as an example of the hazards of inductive reasoning and greedy algorithms.
cr0sh · 2019-09-13
The was also the OSU Adaptive Suspension Vehicle:
http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-machines/1984-osu-asv-adaptive-suspen…
https://library.osu.edu/documents/university-archives/subject_files/Ad…
ontouchstart · 2016-08-01
History of the original LOGO turtle (the actual robot):
http://cyberneticzoo.com/cyberneticanimals/1969-the-logo-turtle-seymou…
joveian · 2016-07-20
Sound like high risk for low reward, even if they don't figure out that the other people aren't involved which they might.
At first I thought you ment like this:
http://cyberneticzoo.com/bionics/1940-project-pigeon-1948-project-orco…
ddon · 2016-04-30
Internals are shown here how this maze solving machine works
http://cyberneticzoo.com/mazesolvers/1952-–-theseus-maze-solving-mouse…
Retric · 2014-10-09
Your getting a 404 from an extra " at the end.
http://www.marshbellofram.com/belgas/files/2012/05/design_manual.pdf
http://cyberneticzoo.com/robots/1985-mcandroid-jon-barron-et-al-britis…
grendelt · 2022-05-16
This sort of lore is drilled into the engineering students at LeTourneau University (my alma mater). There's an entire mini museum setup to LeTourneau's achievements on campus. After working there after grad school I realized much of LeTourneau's "genius" was some form of reductionism.
problem: "We need a machine that can grab these logs from these trees we cut down."
solution: "Why not make a gigantic claw and put it on wheels?" https://www.imcdb.org/i236846.jpg
problem: "All these trees are in the way. We just need a way to quickly clear the area."
solution: "Why not just stomp them down?"
'Stomp them down?'
"Yeah" http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-machines/1964-tree-stomper-robert-g-l…
problem: "Ok, RG. Some trees we can't just stomp"
solution: "Ok. Let's just drive over them them." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9yvNESLPo
There's this saying:
"Any idiot can build a bridge that stands, but it takes an engineer to build a bridge that barely stands."
RG was never guilty of making anything "barely". Dude straight over over did it on a lot of projects. He took small simple machines and just scaled them tf up. He didn't do small. "You've got a big problem? You just need a bigger machine." is something that fits with what his machinery says about his design choices.
He filled a niche for sure. His style and creations fit at a unique time in American history. American steel and manufacture was very much in it's heyday. He had access to all…
DonHopkins · 2019-08-27
Does anybody still have a copy of the file from the MIT-AI Lab PDP-10 called "AI: HUMOR; LOGO TURTLE" or something like that? I haven't been able to find a copy myself, but I remember reading it and have confirmed that it existed, and that it was published in SIGART around 1982.
It was Leigh Klotz's sarcastic response to a Defense Department questionnaire to Terrapin about how their technology could be used to kill people.
He proposed deploying a swarm of thousands of LOGO turtles to crawl around the battlefield in mesmerizing geometric patterns, and stab the enemy with a quick succession of PENUP and PENDOWN commands (proving once again that the pen is mightier than the sword).
Cybernetic Zoo: A history of cybernetic animals and early robots: 1969 – The Logo Turtle – Seymour Papert et al (Sth African/American):
http://cyberneticzoo.com/cyberneticanimals/1969-the-logo-turtle-seymou…
Logo's Yellow Turtle: First programmed in 1970. Built at MIT AI Lab:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeFhFPNO8hc
Logo Update, Volume 4, Number 3 - Spring 1996:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120904211432/http://el.media.mit.edu:80/l…
krapp · 2019-06-14
When I was a wee lad, I would read about robots like this in library books (which I apparently cannot successfully Google.) I remember seeing pictures of this specific one, and others[0]. Robots were kind of a thing in the late 70s and early 80s apparently.
One I've always liked was Westinghouse's Electro[1]. It smoked cigarettes because of course it did, and looked and acted exactly the way you would imagine an old-school sci fi robot would, and even had a primitive (and a bit deceptive) system to respond to "voice commands" [2].
AROK[3,4] was also really cool. That is what a robot is supposed to look like.
That, or a sexy catgirl maid... but I digress.
Certainly not like an anorexic dalek [5,6].
It seems that as technology progresses, design homogenizes. If we do ever get to general purpose humanoid or semihumanoid robots, they'll probably be black rectangles like everything else. I still kind of want the blinkenlights and brushed steel of the future past, though.
[0]https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/147374-best-1980s-robots
[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuyTRbj8QSA
[2]https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/dawn-of-electronics/elektro-the…
[3]http://cyberneticzoo.com/robots/1975-arok-ben-skora-american/
[4]http://www.theoldrobots.com/arok.html
[5]https://www.badger-technologies.com/
[6]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20183303