Club Orlov
cluborlov.blogspot.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2008
Dmitry Orlov, a Russian-born writer, covers economic and social collapse, and how to prepare for it.
What HN saysHN commenters recommend it as a collapse-focused reference, linking his 2009 Social Collapse Best Practices post and comparing him to Kunstler.
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selimthegrim · 2015-05-01
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com is run by one Dmitri Orlov, an ex-Soviet collapsarian similar to James Howard Kunstler. He basically did what you're asking for.
ktizo · 2012-04-02
I wonder how his analysis stacks up next to Dymitri Orlov's 'Reinventing Collapse' - http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk
asciilifeform · 2009-04-03
>The current economic problems are not related to his predictions.
Why are you so sure of that?
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/02/social-collapse-best-practices.h…
khafra · 2009-03-23
Preparation and disaster-specific learning can only take you so far, but http://collapse.reddit.com is a serviceable overview of that part. http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com and http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/ have a more nuanced view of social and economic collapse; 1950s style "nuclear armageddon" style survivalism is unlikely to suffice in the real world. For the last nail in the coffin of "guns and independence" style survivalism, try the War Nerd's treatment of the topic: http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-apocalypse-never/. I wish I could figure a way out of his unpalatable dilemma: convincingly join a large church in a rural area long before the collapse, or die shortly after it happens.
(edited for tone--I'm an undeservedly arrogant bastard everywhere, but it only comes across as charming face to face)
apag · 2009-02-22
You can’t get out of it. You can only prepare:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/02/social-collapse-best-practices.h…
Surprised that no one has posted it, so I submitted it here:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=490767
queensnake · 2008-07-17
Dmitry Orlov's lessons for individuals from the Soviet collapse, http://www.badcyclopedia.com/what-if-us-collapses-soviet-collapse-less…
More at Dmitry Orlov's blog - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/
jpfr · 2019-01-15
> A "no deal" outcome, which is clearly bad, is still the best thing brexiters can actually deliver.
It could go much much worse than just "bad".
The UK imports a lot of food from EU neighbors. In case of a hard Brexit, this will just ... stop. The question is whether all supermarkets can immediately redo their supply chains. That is not likely. Especially since the UK will loose all trade agreements with the non-EU countries as well. Because they had been made by the EU with the UK participating.
Our western societies are very efficient but also very fragile. If supermarkets can no longer fill up their shelves, people go hungry fast. If supermarkets can only fill 80% of shelves, people panic and start hoarding food. Those who are too late to the party go hungry. With enough people hungry for a few days, society collapses.
Like ... corpses in the streets.
We know what happened when the Soviet Union went down and shelves went empty. This scenario would end a lot worse for the UK. The Soviets had massive redundancies, inefficiencies and fallbacks that could be exploited. Such as people growing potatoes in their Dachas.
See the material by Dmitry Orlov on how the "soviet scenario" would play out in a western country:
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-uss…
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/02/social-collapse-best-practices.h…
Update:
What do you think "chaos at the border" means?
Everybody will try to…
rdiddly · 2018-04-15
The point being made is: Technology without vision is dehumanizing. This is widely known and is, for example, the reason good schools make undergrad engineering students take at least a few humanities classes before they leave.
Technology without vision is dehumanizing - it happened with Penn Station, where narrow quantitative and engineering goals displaced the broader human ones and led to the widely-hated station that's there now, which was excavated by people who were called hogs, and which makes passengers feel like rats. The loss is especially acute there, since everybody knows what the old station was like ( https://duckduckgo.com/?q=old+penn+station&kp=-2&iax=images&am… ). It was an edifice comparable to the great gares and bahnhöfe of Europe (or to Grand Central which for some reason we decided to keep), a monument to national power, industrial wealth, and the technologies of the time, but also a space that evoked something a little more noble in the human spirit somehow.
The writer is also drawing a parallel with the dehumanizing effect of the particular startup he worked for. The analysts are the hogs, he's the rat, his own perceived loss of creativity (probably a bit exaggerated... aahhh youth) is the dehumanization part, and the absentee CEO is the lack of vision. (If a CEO has one function, it's to provide vision. And in second place, not far behind, is to establish company culture.)
Arguably, placing technical/quantitative goals above more…
pacman2 · 2021-02-22
If I may quote two sources (controversial, so please take it with a grain of salt but keep an open mind)
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/07/war-profiteers-and-demise-of-us.…
https://www.amazon.com/Losing-Military-Supremacy-American-Strategic/dp…
I am not Russian by the way, the links could give you this impression.
fokinsean · 2016-10-21
Yeah I've gotten a little wrapped up as well looking into all of this mounting tension between the US and Russia. Protip, stay away from /r/the_donald.
My personal opinion is that it is mostly political and I think (hope) that what is happening in Syria won't escalate to direct conflict between the US and Russia.
I stumbled across this little blog article the other day and it helped relieve some of my anxieties.
https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/10/oopsa-world-war.html
yiedyie · 2014-03-14
This could also explain:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/understanding-organizational-stu…
jmnicolas · 2015-08-12
I'm afraid you're not going to learn toughness in a book but rather through tough experiences.
If you want to train it (I think it's something you can acquire more easily at childhood) it's up to you to "design" these experiences as tough enough to harden you but not so tough that you will break.
Some silly examples that comes to me :
- try fasting (if your medical condition allows it)
- get the shitiest job you can find and last at least one month then give every $ you gained to the political party you dislike the most
- go parachute or bungee jumping, ultra marathons / Iron Man
- take only cold showers for a year
- quit smoking / drinking / drugs
- go take care of terminally hill patients
Then when you think you've done it all, have a child and learn what determination is through (at least) the next 30 years ;-)
A 5 min inspirational read on people that didn't learn tenacity/grit/determination in a book : http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/meet-chechens.html
rangibaby · 2014-03-01
Crimea is "Russian", it was granted from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR by Khrushchev in the 50s.
It's interesting that the situation is playing out pretty much according to this blog post: http://cluborlov.blogspot.jp/2014/02/shock-over-ukraine.html
"Most of them don't even know what it is they are protesting, but, in essence, they are protesting the very existence of their country, which is made up of two parts: Eastern Poland, which is Ukrainian-speaking and predominantly Catholic, and Western Russia, which is Russian-speaking and predominantly Orthodox. The “Russians” outnumber the “Ukrainians” two to one. The ultimate resolution to the crisis lies in partitioning the country. Nobody has the stomach to even talk about it—yet. But until that happens we will continue being subjected to this strange spectacle, where every single actor in Ukraine does everything possible to undermine the country's political system. Deep down, the Ukrainians don't want there to be a different government in Kiev—they don't want there to be a government in Kiev at all."