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Bob Sutton
bobsutton.typepad.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2007
Bob Sutton, a Stanford professor of management, writes about workplace behavior, hiring, leadership, and organizational research.
What HN saysHN links it for 'strong opinions, weakly held' and the post on 85 years of hiring research, and one commenter calls it required reading.
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- 1Strong Opinions, Weakly Held14 people · 5 points · first shared 2008 · discussion on HN
- 2What 85 years worth of research says about who to hire4 people · 2 points · first shared 2009 · discussion on HN
- 3It Isn't Just a Myth: A Little Thanks Goes a Long Way2 people · 4 points · first shared 2010 · discussion on HN
- 4The baboon troop that mellowed out after the alpha males died the sapolsky and share study2 people · first shared 2016
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- 8Why Specialists are Grumpy and Generalists are Happy1 people · 26 points · first shared 2007 · 9 comments on HN
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What HN people wrote when they linked it
yingw787 · 2019-06-06
I like the notion of "strong opinions, weakly held": https://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html
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Bob explained that weak opinions are problematic because people aren’t inspired to develop the best arguments possible for them, or to put forth the energy required to test them. Bob explained that it was just as important, however, to not be too attached to what you believe because, otherwise, it undermines your ability to “see” and “hear” evidence that clashes with your opinions.
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I think these strong opinions change when there is information to do so, and that's probably where the whole "stay focused and keep shipping" idea comes from: collect soft feedback, hard metrics, and otherwise information by providing a product-as-a-hypothesis. The more often you ship and measure, the better your direction and your alignment with what people will pay for.
Aga · 2013-01-02
I like this non-relativist stance. Simply stating YMMV often kills what could have led to a good conversation, thus possibly preventing us from learning more.
I'd like to couple this attitude with the great advice of having "Strong opinions, weakly held".
(http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html)
kevinburke · 2011-05-16
Work sample tests are the best predictor (p of 0.54) of success on the job. http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/10/selecting-talent-the-up…
MartinCron · 2010-08-25
For anyone who is interested in interpersonal relationships at work, Bob Sutton is pretty much required reading. I especially enjoy his blog. http://bobsutton.typepad.com/
tyn · 2010-01-17
What 85 years worth of research says about who to hire:
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/10/selecting-talent-the-up…
hegemonicon · 2009-10-27
A meta-analysis of 85 years worth of studies on the subject places IQ as the best predictor (conscientiousness comes in 4th)
See here: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/10/selecting-talent-the-up…
michael_nielsen · 2008-01-22
The study is discussed in a blog post here, http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/08/brilliant_but_c.html, the original reference is Teresa Amabile, "Brilliant but Cruel: Perception of Negative Evaluators," Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 19 (1983), 146-156.
nordsieck · 2023-04-11
From "Selecting Talent: The Upshot from 85 Years of Research"[1]:
> The upshot of this research is that work sample tests (e.g., seeing if people can actually do key elements of a job -- if a secretary can type or a programmer can write code ), general mental ability (IQ and related tests), and structured interviews had the highest validity of all methods examined (Arun, thanks for the corrections). As Arun also suggests, Schmidt and Hunter point out that three combinations of methods that were the most powerful predictors of job performance were GMA plus a work sample test (in other words, hiring someone smart and seeing if they could do the work), GMA plus an integrity test, and GMA plus a structured interview (but note that unstructured interviews, the way they are usually done, are weaker).
> Note that this information about combinations is probably more important than the pure rank ordering, as it shows what blend of methods works best, but here is also the rank order of the 19 predictors examined, rank ordered by the validity coefficient, an indicator of how strongly the individual method is linked to performance:
> 1. Work sample tests (.54)
> 2. GMA tests ..."General mental ability" (.51)
> 3. Employment interviews -- structured (.51)
> ...
This is a summary of the peer reviewed article "The validity and utility of selection methods in personnel psychology: Practical and theoretical implications of 85 years of research findings."[2]
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js2 · 2018-02-24
I’m reminded of “Strong Opinons, Weakly Held”:
I’ve been pretty obsessed about the difference between smart people and wise people for years. I tried to write a book called “The Attitude of Wisdom” a couple times. And the virtues of wise people – those who have the courage to act on their knowledge, but the humility to doubt what they know – is one of the main themes in Hard Facts. We show how leaders including Xerox’s Ann Mulcahy, Intel’s Any Grove, Harrah’s Gary Loveman, and IDEO’s David Kelley turn this attitude into organizational action. Perhaps the best description I’ve ever seen of how wise people act comes from the amazing folks at Palo Alto’s Institute for the Future. A couple years ago, I was talking the Institute’s Bob Johansen about wisdom, and he explained that – to deal with an uncertain future and still move forward – they advise people to have “strong opinions, which are weakly held.” They've been giving this advice for years, and I understand that it was first developed by Instituite Director Paul Saffo. Bob explained that weak opinions are problematic because people aren’t inspired to develop the best arguments possible for them, or to put forth the energy required to test them. Bob explained that it was just as important, however, to not be too attached to what you believe because, otherwise, it undermines your ability to “see” and “hear” evidence that clashes with your opinions. This is what psychologists sometimes call the problem of “confirmation…
kareemm · 2014-09-11
Reminds me of Bob Sutton, a Stanford prof and author who writes[1]:
"This tendency to look for individual goats – and heroes – isn’t just a problem that permeates the world of sports. It is reflected in many misguided ideologies and management practices, which focus excessive energy on hiring stars and weeding-out mediocre and poor performers, and insufficient energy on building a great system that enables most competent people to succeed.
I agree – and can show you evidence – that there are huge differences in individual skill and ability in every occupation. BUT we’ve also got a lot of evidence that ordinary people can perform at top levels in a well-designed system, and even a superstar is doomed to fail in a bad system."
Sutton, you know, researches these kinds of things rather than holding a blind belief that once you hire A players, your job is done.
1 - http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/08/crappy_people_v.html
johnhenry · 2022-07-21
https://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/07/dysfunctional-internal… (Historical Microsoft)
vijucat · 2019-10-01
Oh, John, there you are again! How do you manage to be in so many places at once? Which reminds me to ask: which firms have implemented the "No Asshole Rule" well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_No_Asshole_Rule
Here's a list by the author from 2012, FYI: https://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/02/the_no_asshole_.html
chucksmash · 2016-11-05
Lost to the mists of time. A little reconstructive memory spelunking via Google yields a plausible theory though:
A blog post [1] quoting a blog post [2] quoting a guy [3].
[1]: https://blog.codinghorror.com/strong-opinions-weakly-held/
[2]: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html
[3]: http://www.iftf.org/bobjohansen/
marak830 · 2016-05-27
Along those lines of thought I remembered an article about a troop of baboons with no alpha males left.
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/the-baboon-troop-that-m…
squidi · 2013-06-13
Prof Bob Sutton at Stanford made a similar point about Steve Jobs last year: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/07/wired-story-wraps-with-…
pepve · 2013-04-17
Came here to say the same.
Sources for that phrase:
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html
http://www.saffo.com/02008/07/26/strong-opinions-weakly-held/
ryanbraganza · 2012-08-19
I agree, and this reminds me of two other quotes.
"Strong opinions, weakly held" http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/05/strong-opinions-weakly-held.h…
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html
"I aim to fight as if I am right, and listen as if I am wrong"
http://blogs.hbr.org/sutton/2010/08/its_up_to_you_to_start_a_good.html
nl · 2012-08-19
Strong implies stubborn, and stubborn implies inflexibility.
NO!!!
Strong Opinions, Weakly Held[1][2] is what you want.
[1] http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html
[2] http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/05/strong-opinions-weakly-held.h…
divadong · 2012-02-14
Bob Sutton from Stanford has studied this a long time and he gives a very interesting response to this article: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/06/brainstorming_i.html
dkubb · 2010-12-18
Funny, I always like it when people have strong opinions.
Maybe that's not the same thing as "too many" opinions; like when people have opinions on something they have no experience with.
I've always preferred it when people have strong, but weakly held opinions. [1]
[1] http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/strong_opinions.html
richardburton · 2009-12-11
James Dyson made 5,167 prototypes before he came up with the winning formula for the Dyson cleaner. I doubt that he could have become a successful billionaire without the right to fight off the companies who tried to make a quick buck out all his hard work.
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/02/5127-failed-prototypes-…
alanthonyc · 2009-11-25
I don't think that's right. I think he just means "don't be an asshole", in the Bob Sutton sense. Introverts and extroverts alike can be this way.
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/
cammil · 2009-04-26
It depends what works for you. In my experience the first thing you need is motivation. Without you have nothing to drive you and all the will in the world will get you nowhere.
Here is something that helped me: http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/03/the-cult-of-done-manife…
Seriously though, find your motivation and all else will fall into place...
kaycebasques · 2018-09-28
Some random thoughts, starting with personal experience:
* When my team gives me ownership over a project, I take pride in that project and produce higher-quality work. This is loosely related to "people act more responsibly when you give them more responsibility" in the sense that direct democracy will make people feel like they have more ownership over issues.
* Homeowners tend to take better care of their place of living than renters.
* When people have kids, most tend to mature and act more responsibly in general. Not all, but most. In this case "having a child" is a proxy for "having more responsibility" in general.
In terms of studies, I'm intrigued by experiments [1] where people are assigned leadership roles randomly. They seem to suggest that people tend to make better decisions when given more responsibility. An even more radical idea that is more closely related to this study would be to assign random citizens to be in charge of a certain political issue, say for 6 to 12 months.
[1] http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/10/is-it-sometimes-rationa…
Jedd · 2016-02-07
I don't believe the two approaches conflict.
We're all familiar with the possibly apocryphal experiment of five monkeys, a ladder, and an electric shock - with the end of the experiment being five monkeys that have never been shocked, but their behaviour is changed. I think we all like to think we've evolved above this kind of manipulation, though I also suspect we each have stories of having worked in professional environments, staffed by evidently smart people, where we observe this same phenomenon.
(Aside -- it's sobering to consider that the people we've worked with may have stories about such effects operating upon us.)
Anyway, point being that while you may be correct in the assertion:
> It's rarely possible to achieve a goal merely by pretending
> you've already achieved it.
What if the goal is to have the next generation(s) achieve a way of thinking by pretending (I'm not ecstatic about that word, but it'll have to do) we think that way now.
Do you think that may have a positive effect?
I'm reminded of the Garbage Dump Troop - a fascinating story, told in many places, but here's a succinct explanation of the effect:
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/the-baboon-troop-that-m…
Unsurprisingly, alpha males usually don't find the story charming. ; )
23david · 2012-10-07
Thanks for the reference to Bob Sutton. I hadn't heard of his book before, and after some research I dug up some great info and articles.
http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/the_no_asshole_rule/
http://blogs.hbr.org/sutton/2007/03/why_i_wrote_the_no_asshole_rule.ht…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-sutton/the-no-asshole-rule-part-_…
The Kixeye CEO may have not intended to let things go this far, but from his remarks ( part 1: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jgntgj, part 2: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jh72ja ) he shows a stunning lack of empathy. One big red flag for me was how he doesn't say how he is planning to make amends with the black contractor and the black community. So it's pretty clear to me that Will Harbin is part of the problem here, and likely is an asshole himself. The company's investors and leaders should take this as a wake-up call and either demote or fire him. They won't reach their potential with 'asshole leadership' in place.
A fish rots from the head down.
jacobolus · 2011-12-22
There are great insights that can be learned through these kinds of analyses, but they can also be problematical, suffering from a severe selection (“survivorship”) bias and confusing correlation with causality. To do a scientific study would require picking some attributes thought to lead to “greatness”, rating a random selection of companies along those attributes, and then tracking their outcomes going forward. Feynman had a great essay about these kinds of problems, “Cargo Cult Science”, which you should go read right now if you never have http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm
For example, the companies featured in Jim Collins’s books haven’t fared especially well in the years after those books were written. Cf. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/04/12/luck_inc/?… http://thehaloeffect.typepad.com/authors_blog/2007/02/jim_collinss_fr.… http://bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/04/a-wellcrafted-critique-… http://hbr.org/2009/04/are-great-companies-just-lucky/ar/1