Garry Tan
blog.garrytan.com · Personal blog · on HN since 2012
Garry Tan, a Y Combinator investor and former founder, writes about startups, tech companies, and legal fights over competition.
What HN saysHN mostly links his 2012 post calling travel planning software the most common bad startup idea, which commenters cite and sometimes argue against with counterexamples.
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Most-shared posts
- 1Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)11 people · 537 points · first shared 2014 · 180 comments on HN
- 2Goldman Sachs sent a computer scientist to jail over 8MB of open source code3 people · 194 points · first shared 2013 · 78 comments on HN
- 3Defending A16Z3 people · 55 points · first shared 2015 · 48 comments on HN
- 4Downsides to working at a tech giant2 people · 700 points · first shared 2019 · 559 comments on HN
- 5Save Padmapper: Craigslist is wrong to shut them down. An open letter to Craig2 people · 252 points · first shared 2012 · 97 comments on HN
- 6Rat Park Experiment: A New Theory of Addiction2 people · 194 points · first shared 2013 · 42 comments on HN
- 7How anti-competitive lawsuits by incumbents are killing early stage startups2 people · 166 points · first shared 2012 · 39 comments on HN
- 8Hackers can be business guys, and other lessons from Paul Graham2 people · 153 points · first shared 2013 · 49 comments on HN
- 9Last Minute Advice for YC Applicants2 people · 122 points · first shared 2014 · 29 comments on HN
- 10Survey says Facebook still in use by young, but Snapchat/Instagram are real2 people · 95 points · first shared 2013 · 52 comments on HN
- 11Spotify as a simple case study in making something people want2 people · 43 points · first shared 2014 · 44 comments on HN
- 12Always. Be. Shipping. A lesson from Jacopo da Pontormo, circa 1545.2 people · 13 points · first shared 2012 · 1 comments on HN
- 13Lessons from 2^5 that I wish I knew at 2^42 people · 6 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 14APIs are eating software2 people · 3 points · first shared 2013 · discussion on HN
- 15Malibu homeowners foiled by $30K Kickstarter campaign1 people · 596 points · first shared 2013 · 206 comments on HN
What HN people wrote when they linked it
hobs · 2014-01-01
That's true!
However, another quote that I thought was relevant to this same way of thinking: (this was just posted today on HN, and I thought, exactly!)
“Fear is the greatest obstacle to learning. But fear is your best friend. Fear is like fire. If you learn to control it, you let it work for you. If you don’t learn to control it, it’ll destroy you and everything around you.
“You think you know the difference between a hero and a coward, Mike? Well, there is no difference between a hero and a coward in what they feel. It’s what they do that makes them different. The hero and the coward feel exactly the same, but you have to have the discipline to do what a hero does and to keep yourself from doing what the coward does.”
~ http://blog.garrytan.com/
When I read this, it exactly encapsulated what I was trying to say. You are allowed to fear everything, but if you let fear control you or decide what you will or will not do you will not become great. You may even regret bitterly not taking the jump off the cliff.
makestuff · 2023-03-11
I was working on an app as a side project similar to this. Basically each traveler would fill out a form saying I live in X and I have access to car/train/etc. transportation. The idea was to match people and then find a central location for remote teams to meet up. For example, 2 people live in Chicago, 3 in NYC, and one in SF. Where is the best city to meet up; however, I was optimizing on cost.
It turns out several people on HN had similar ideas (Villagers app was one but it seems to be offline now https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33344734). I stopped working on it after reading this HN thread where several people linked to various articles like https://blog.garrytan.com/travel-planning-software-the-most-common-bad…
age008 · 2022-11-22
Let us remember this classic article I found on HN a while ago:
https://blog.garrytan.com/travel-planning-software-the-most-common-bad
profstasiak · 2022-10-26
What is your opinion on [0] ?
I disagree with him about " My best guess is that a truly great consumer service needs to be something that is can be used every day. " I use Wanderlog (YC19) almost every trip I do, a lot of my friends after I recommended this tool started using it. Yet it is kinda right - Wanderlog doesn't seem to be making big progress, although pandemic is probably responsible for that
[0] https://blog.garrytan.com/travel-planning-software-the-most-common-bad
dakial1 · 2021-09-14
The other day I saw a post here about trip planner being the most failed startup idea (https://blog.garrytan.com/travel-planning-software-the-most-common-bad… and by coincidence I found Inspirock a few days later, which, in my opinion, is the best implementation of a trip planner I've ever seen. I'm not affiliated to it, I simply liked the idea execution very much. Don't know if it will float or not, sadly.
0815test · 2019-04-03
Context: https://blog.garrytan.com/goldman-sachs-sent-a-brilliant-computer-scie…
And this is why people are saying to exercise caution around this stuff!
garry · 2016-11-01
I previously blogged here about the general application process. You should definitely apply. YC is basically one of the few places where anyone in the world can apply and have a real fair shake at having their application be read and voted upon by smart YC alums and partners. Just as the SAT helped normalize access to higher education, the YC app process is as valuable and rare and serves a similar purpose to help great teams and startups rise.
Here was my article from before:
http://blog.garrytan.com/last-minute-advice-for-yc-applicants-updated-…
midas007 · 2014-04-13
Yup. It's pretty common for open source to be used, abused, modified in house and not shared. Just look at Sergey Aleynikov and Goldman Sachs. [0] Further I've seen a shop deploy hundreds of thousands of CentOS nodes to avoid RHEL license fees. Doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of shops not funding FOSS they exploit like OpenSSH, etc. Most of them are stingy, demanding, greedy bastards.
[0] http://blog.garrytan.com/goldman-sachs-sent-a-brilliant-computer-scien…
rattray · 2013-04-14
My understanding is that whoever built bitcoin was pretty darn good at what they were doing.
I question whether the best of the best in cryptography would choose to work for a government over earn enough money to spend time building something awesome, like bitcoin. This is coming off watching the video Gary Tan posted recently [1].
To me, the only question left is about leaking. What's a greater incentive against leaking: coercion by a bureaucratic, nontechnical employer (ie; a government), or the bonds of secrecy between close friends in a common cause?
Call me an idealist, but I think the latter has a pretty good shot. The number of leaks coming from Apple vs the number of leaks from Google (higher from Apple, IIRC) seems to support this viewpoint.
[1] http://sub.garrytan.com/hackers-can-be-business-guys-and-other-lessons… around 12:30 iirc.
EDIT: sentence structure.
ojbyrne · 2024-10-22
joeross · 2024-01-26
The Posterous founders started Posthaven after Posterous shut down, and Posthaven – by all appearances essentially a Posterous clone – is still going (and promises at least for now to stay that way): https://www.posthaven.com/features
One of those cofounders is probably familiar to YC nerds: https://blog.garrytan.com/about-me
seattle_spring · 2019-12-23
It wasn't mentioned specifically, but I assume this post was written as a general response to "Working for Microsoft cost me $200 million" [1], which has been at the top of HN for most of the day.
[1] https://blog.garrytan.com/working-for-microsoft-cost-me-200-dollars-mi…
d--b · 2016-04-07
Sorry, I don't want to be a pain, but you should read this: http://blog.garrytan.com/travel-planning-software-the-most-common-bad
And sorry for the negativity again, but AI as it is today is not capable of understanding what people want. I mean, even real people are not able to understand what other people want or like. The tradeoff between quality/convenience/price is extremely subjective. People are complicated.
That said, I wish you luck with the project, and I'm hoping to be wrong.
wooyi · 2016-01-18
@garrytan said it as well in 2012: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea
http://blog.garrytan.com/travel-planning-software-the-most-common-bad
katm · 2014-10-08
Try to keep your responses succinct. I like how Garry Tan put it in this blog post (http://blog.garrytan.com/super-last-minute-advice-for-s): Answers should be "crisp and articulate, and to the point. One way to do this is to write every last idea down -- write copiously. Then edit. Edit mercilessly until there is not a single word you could remove without losing significant meaning."
DodgyEggplant · 2014-09-29
The question is even bigger: should we trust startups that claim "no evil" when they are small, and quickly forget it when they grow?
Here is another example: http://blog.garrytan.com/infanticide-how-anti-competitive-lawsuits-by
dredmorbius · 2014-02-06
Conspiracy to create a monopoly is ... purely subjective
You've asserted that twice. To the extent that a law not prosecuted is a law that doesn't exist, you're correct, however I've provided the statutory citation which states that "every" contract, etc., in restraint of trade, "is declared to be illegal".
I'm afraid the burden rests on you to provide some level of documentary proof of your assertions, which at present, stand on nothing.
http://blog.garrytan.com/grahams-hierarchy-of-disagreement-how-to-writ
prawks · 2013-02-07
Interesting relevant article:
http://blog.garrytan.com/tenth-grade-tech-trends-my-survey-data-says-s
And its HN discussion:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5027306
I performed a few Google searches on Snapchat. I was very surprised to see the fanaticism around it being used by young people for Sexting alone. The above article paints a much different picture.
romanows · 2012-06-23
You included Craigslist to get pageviews.
Your own linked articles about that topic are a user only complaining about the legal takedown of a useful tool [1] and another complaint about UX with an included blurb asking startups and users to put their time and data into something better [2]. Nothing about API changes or right to a company's proprietary data.
[1] http://blog.garrytan.com/save-padmapper-craigslist-is-wrong-to-shut-th
[2] http://pandodaily.com/2012/05/30/craigslist-is-squashing-innovation-an…
cookiecaper · 2019-12-01
The goal is noble, but Urbit is destined to become a case study in the dangers of isolation and obstinacy.
This project has gone so deep into its own inner sanctum that they've lost tabs on wider reality. While the result may have glimmers of technical excellence for brave souls to excavate some day, the impact of the juxtaposition between latent expertise and overwhelming derangement is enough to scare away (literally scare away) basically everyone.
This style of issuing a large corpus of dicta that comprise "the One True Way" never works, not even in actual bona fide religion. Systems and protocols that last are built iteratively by collaborators across institutions, each piece finding immediate utility as it's integrated and deployed.
The big question around Urbit is not whether it will succeed -- rather, it's whether Yarvin will appreciate that he's rapidly disproved the nascent brand of proto-monarchist philosophy Urbit was meant to realize. [0]
See also: Pontormo at San Lorenzo [1], Xanadu [2]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment
[1] https://blog.garrytan.com/always-be-shipping-a-lesson-from-jacopo-da-p…
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu
pranavpiyush · 2013-05-17
Respect is at the center of this issue. If you feel you have been disrespected (knowingly or unknowingly), you need to bring that up. At the same time, if you have lost respect, you need to communicate that to the other co-founders. I wrote a post about communication that talks about this in detail - read here: http://www.pranavpiyush.com/communication-for-startup-co-founders/
Either way, communicate! Put it all out there. If, even then, things don't seem like working out (i.e. the other 2 don't see a problem that needs solving), then leave.
As for what you do next, don't start a business for the sake of starting a business. Do it if you have a vision for what the world should look like. If you believe in the vision strongly enough, nothing can get in the way of you building the product/company to fulfill it. If not, don't fret. Working for a corporation is not the end of the world.
Find a place where you will learn something. There's a nice post by Garry Tan about learning vs. earning. Read it. http://blog.garrytan.com/lessons-from-2-5-that-i-wish-i-knew-at-2-4